Episode Title: "Nose Bleed"

Synopsis; When one of Jackie's patients returns with more severe symptoms, Zoey second-guesses Jackie's initial treatment; Jackie's continued drug use begins to have a physical impact on her health, and she's disappointed that Dr. O'Hara has betrayed a confidence; an impatient Jackie oversteps her bounds and signs off on an organ-donation certificate for an accident victim who's been rendered brain-dead.

Discuss.

Is it possible to find somewhere this show (and Weeds) latest ratings?

Why do people b*tch and complain about certain things of a show all through a season??? I mean this is just the first season people, give the stories time to develop. Geesh, did some of you stop to think that she's sleeping with her pharmacist just to get her drugs??? We've seen her try to get them other ways i.e. internet, friends, and it doesn't work out too well. I think the eppy where they were going to replace Eddie with a machine showed it the best because she didn't really care about Eddie, it was more of the fact that she couldn't get her drugs and that she'd have to account for taking them out using the machine.

I hate it when people don't give a show enough time to explain things before they start complaining, were you the same people who complained through the first two seasons of "Mad Men" saying they needed to explain Don's past RIGHT THIS SECOND!!! That's just dumb, just wait and let the story evolve. geesh.

I'll complain about whatever I choose to if I think it's a legitimate deficiency of a show's content. If they resolve the issues that have been argued about by the season's end, that's wonderful, but for me personally, I'm going with what they're doing now, and as a fan of the show, I do see some problems. It's not enough for me to bail on the show, b/c I think the cast is stellar, but this is a legitimate place to voice whatever concerns are out there. It's not about being impatient at all. There are shows like "Mad Men" and "Lost" where they've created such a complex web of storylines and mysteries that it just takes time to unravel it all, and as an audience member, you accept that going in. I don't think that's the case with a show like "Nurse Jackie." But again, if the complaints bother you so much, then scroll past them, b/c I'll speak for myself in saying that if I feel the need to say them, I'll freely continue to do so.

Then I'll say the same to you, if you don't like what I have to say then scroll past it and don't reply.

Also, I believe I did answer your question about Jackie's screwing Eddie. In fact, that question was answered, i thought, in the first episode. I mean, the only reason she has to continue to sleep with the pharmacist is to get her drugs. Now, some feelings may start to arise as a result of her needing to sleep with him for her pills, but that's something that will be developed.

My advice, if you can't follow a show then don't watch it.

Your allowed to voice questions and concerns, but telling people that there is faulty writing about why she's sleeping with the pharmacist is just your own ignorance. Anyone can clearly see that she started sleeping with him just to get her pills. That's all. You should have figured that out from episode one.

Jackie's said also that she loves both men, so it's as much her wanting what she can't have as much as doing it solely for drug seeking. That's something they've left unresolved, and it isn't asking too much for them to settle in on an explanation. That's not ignorance to want some resolution, and I can follow the show just fine.

Like I said before, she started to sleep with Eddie simply for the pills and then feelings started to develop and they are now starting to explain how things are going to happen.

Hope this explains the show better for you.

Don't need your explanation then or now. I'll wait on the show to play itself out like I always said I would, but it's not above legitimate criticism when it's merited.

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Originally posted by Hollywoodstar83:
Like I said before, she started to sleep with Eddie simply for the pills and then feelings started to develop and they are now starting to explain how things are going to happen.

Hope this explains the show better for you.

That may be how you interpret the show but that does not mean others have to agree with you. I agree with Atypical that the situation is very unclear. At times it has seemed she is only seeing the pharmacist for drugs and at others she seems to really care. If you polled a group of people watching the show you would get a gamut of answers on her relationship with the pharmacist. Certainly not all would agree with you. Though I agree that her feelings are unclear I do not have a problem with it and I find it an interesting aspect of the show.

What does bother me about the show is it is also unknown how she has been able to keep children and a husband secret from a place she seems to have worked at for years. Unless she has been carrying on an affair since day one of working at the hospital I do not see why someone would keep that a secret. I like the show and think the cast is great but agree that this is a flaw in the writing/plotting and it will be difficult at this point to explain in a satisfying way.

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Why does everyone need everything to be explained to them like their children? Let the storylines and character arcs unfold. Maybe I'm just a total screw-up but I like the element of mystery and surprise that too many films and tv shows are lacking. I think most people do. For example, I think The Ugly Truth is bombing because the previews told you everything you needed to know without seeing the movie. There is no surprise for you. Same goes for The Time Traveler's Wife. Yes, I know those are films but too many shows nowadays are spoiled ahead of time by people who have to know what is going to happen and they have to know RIGHT NOW. Either you like this show or not. Either you like Jackie or you don't. I didn't necessarily like it when Tony Soprano beat the hell out of Annabella Sciorra but that character flaw didn't stop me from watching The Sopranos. Or complaining about it.

I will say this. Nurse Jackie is ten times better and funnier than Hung and The United States of Tara, only it has received much less attention than shows got and are getting.

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It's not about needing every element of the show explained and dissected like "children," or anything of the sort. That's not the point at all. It's about perceived writing issues the show has, and that's perfectly legitimate.

Atypical, if you don't want your questions answered then don't ask them in the first place.

And if anyone doesn't like my explanation, which is correct even if you don't want to admit it, then that is up to you. Just don't ask anymore about it because it's been explained, that's all.

This all kind of reminds me of people talking during the middle of watching a movie saying, "Why's this happening?", "What does that mean?" and what do people normally say to those people???

"WATCH THE MOVIE"

SO.....

"WATCH THE SHOW!!!"

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Originally posted by Hollywoodstar83:
Atypical, if you don't want your questions answered then don't ask them in the first place.

And if anyone doesn't like my explanation, which is correct even if you don't want to admit it, then that is up to you. Just don't ask anymore about it because it's been explained, that's all.

They weren't questions for anyone to respond to. It's for the show's writing to resolve. I'll comment on what I choose to, and if that means making rhetorical questions on the show's writing and the perceived deficiencies in it, then that's exactly what I'll continue to do.

I agree with pacinofan. The most troubling aspect of the affair storyline is not the moral implications or her emotional reasons, but the implausibility of how and why a woman would hide her husband and two children from those she works with. She has been having an affair with the pharmacist for a year, and I'm fairly certain she's worked at the hospital a good deal longer than that. How does she keep two such consuming worlds from colliding? And why would she put in all that extra effort?

I actually maintain Jackie loves city life. She seems right at ease with the Doctor as her best friend and she is a bit of snob. Eddie gives her the pills but he also gives her some bit of intellectual spark.

Her Queens life is middle class and with hunky bartender husband.

I find the character fascinating.

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Originally posted by Hollywoodstar83:

And if anyone doesn't like my explanation, which is correct even if you don't want to admit it, then that is up to you. Just don't ask anymore about it because it's been explained, that's all.

As I think the show is being purposefully ambiguous I deny your explanation as the sole one and find your suggestion that it is the sole and obvious explanation to be arrogant in the extreme.

And to flaming tail...

The mystery and ambiguity of Jackie's feelings in regards to her family and boyfriend is interesting to me and I await further developments on that front. Her keeping her family a secret though just seems illogical and strange. I do not even see how it can be done. Did she not declare her kids on her taxes? Or insurance? Has she never had to leave to take care of a sick kid? Has her husband never brought her a meal or a gift at work? It does not make sense.

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Originally posted by DLD:
I actually maintain Jackie loves city life. She seems right at ease with the Doctor as her best friend and she is a bit of snob. Eddie gives her the pills but he also gives her some bit of intellectual spark.

Her Queens life is middle class and with hunky bartender husband.

I find the character fascinating.

If she was just keeping her other life secret from her work boyfriend that would make sense. I do not see how it makes sense to keep it a secret from everyone, save the English doctor, and apparently for years.

I too think Nurse Jackie is a fascinating character and Edie Falco acts the hell out of the role. I like the show and will always watch it but this plot point seems illogical.

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Originally posted by pacinofan:
The mystery and ambiguity of Jackie's feelings in regards to her family and boyfriend is interesting to me and I await further developments on that front. Her keeping her family a secret though just seems illogical and strange. I do not even see how it can be done. Did she not declare her kids on her taxes? Or insurance? Has she never had to leave to take care of a sick kid? Has her husband never brought her a meal or a gift at work? It does not make sense.

I think we may be reading too much into all this. I have worked jobs where people didn't know I was married or had a kid because I didn't tell them. And I don't believe that my boss at the time noticed or remembered my income tax sheet and what was on it, after I filled out the paperwork. As for her husband. Well, they live in Queens and she works in Manhattan. Not an easy commute. He owns a bar that requires him to be at work at night. Presumably he sleeps during the day. But if you notice, a lot of times that Jackie has to work is on weekends when he has the kids. You know, even as I write this I feel foolish because 1) it's a t.v. show 2) it's not real and 3) the points raised don't necessarily need explaining. Make of it what you will. I just think that we're overthinking things here a bit much. None of us are squeaky clean here. We've all done things we probably shouldn't have behind a loved one's back and if you haven't, once you graduate high school the real world sometimes forces you to make decisions you can't fathom making while you're still living at home. And I'm speaking in general here.

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Originally posted by pacinofan:

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Originally posted by DLD:
I actually maintain Jackie loves city life. She seems right at ease with the Doctor as her best friend and she is a bit of snob. Eddie gives her the pills but he also gives her some bit of intellectual spark.

Her Queens life is middle class and with hunky bartender husband.

I find the character fascinating.

If she was just keeping her other life secret from her work boyfriend that would make sense. I do not see how it makes sense to keep it a secret from everyone, save the English doctor, and apparently for years.

I too think Nurse Jackie is a fascinating character and Edie Falco acts the hell out of the role. I like the show and will always watch it but this plot point seems illogical.

Yes but their is the religious aspect of Jackie too. She is having an affair but she is very much the conflicted Catholic. I don't think she has thought out what will happen when it comes out because she knows severe consequences will happen and she can't think of that.

I don't even think she loves her husbands she just stays with him because of the kids, her upbringing, and its status quo.

I feel she yearns to be a doctor like her friend, live in city, and sorta have all that entails with people living in manhattan have.

Maybe as New Yorker I am over simplifying it but its sorta was I get.