The last few episodes of Grey's this season were good (it had 2 episodes that were really S2-like good). But it doesn't make up for that fact that every episode before them were downright horrendous. And that's why it doesn't deserve to be included in the Series category. Not that it even will be.
Popular is hard to describe, b/c we don't necessarily know what's popular with the Emmy voting crowd...and that's all that matters. Lots of little shows that weren't popular have been nominated (like Arrested Development). It's all about what's "IN". haha. Desperate Housewives has remained a popular series, generally speaking, throughout its run, however, it hasn't been nominated for a series award since its first season. If the Drama Series category were to be taken over by the most popular series with viewers, then the nominees would be:
Drama Series: CSI NCIS The Mentalist CSI: Miami Grey's Anatomy House
I don't know about you, but I would never wanna that list of nominees!
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I think the biggest surprise will be someone FINALLY mentions that Jeremy Piven was quite bald several years ago, but now has a full head of hair! Why don't people talk about that?
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I think the biggest surprise will be someone FINALLY mentions that Jeremy Piven was quite bald several years ago, but now has a full head of hair! Why don't people talk about that?
The same has to be said about Steve Carell. Look at him in season one and look at him now. Yikes.
I think the biggest surprise will be someone FINALLY mentions that Jeremy Piven was quite bald several years ago, but now has a full head of hair! Why don't people talk about that?
The same has to be said about Steve Carell. Look at him in season one and look at him now. Yikes.
Steve's I don't think is nearly as bad a Piven's. Look at him in Ellen and Very Bad Things and look at him now. He went from having less hair than me to now more hair than I had in high school. That would be a more effective analogy if you knew me. hahaha
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Originally posted by taloson: Okay, this kind of just came to me, but since these are being decided by popular vote, does anyone think Grey's Anatomy could sneak into drama series? It is one of the most popular dramas on TV and it already got two nominations. The panel did them in last year since their tape was horrible but we don't know what the popular vote was. We don't really know if the voters are really "over" the show or not. I don't know, maybe I'm just getting paranoid.
Yes, it's very possible for "Grey's Anatomy" to make it back into drama series this year. They have their best chance at making it in through the popular vote. I have the show for my final six.
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would there be a big uproar if only cable shows made it into Best Drama category?
I wouldn't get mad. I think cable TV is where it is at and given the decline of worthy network shows, I say why not. I mean I know Lost is going to get in and House or 24 will provide that pop. vote of a show, but other than that where are the other shows. I wouldn't mind Boston Legal getting a farewell nod and my two picks for shows to represent the networks, FNL & ER, won't get in.
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I don't think it is fair to say that network has declined and cable is better. Network shows have to produce 22-24 episodes a season versus 12 or 13 (sometimes less) for cable. You make some of these cable shows stretch their seasons out they are going to have some episodes that drag down their great seasons. That is why I like the way the Emmys do tapes...take a handful of each series "best" episodes and see whose is the best. I think when you do that several network shows look better because the "filler" episodes don't weigh it down.
I actually wish more network shows would go to "half" seasons...it has worked pretty well for Lost
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Originally posted by jss0058: I don't think it is fair to say that network has declined and cable is better. Network shows have to produce 22-24 episodes a season versus 12 or 13 (sometimes less) for cable. You make some of these cable shows stretch their seasons out they are going to have some episodes that drag down their great seasons. That is why I like the way the Emmys do tapes...take a handful of each series "best" episodes and see whose is the best. I think when you do that several network shows look better because the "filler" episodes don't weigh it down. I actually wish more network shows would go to "half" seasons...it has worked pretty well for Lost
Yeah, some have said that network shows should go the way of cable and produce shorter seasons. This is applicable in some cases, but not all.
The problem with this is that we never would have gotten Lost's first season on cable or in a reduced run. The short seasons are working for the show these days, but the first season had a ton of storylines and characters that were very well serviced. Could it have been tighter in twenty-two episodes instead of twenty-five? Sure, but any shorter would have hurt it. There were fourteen series regulars who had one to three flashbacks each, introduction of the Others, Rousseau interactions, monster and polar bear running, opening the Hatch, minor conflicts and even little stories like building a golf course were very effective. If it had been cut off at thirteen episodes, we would have just found the hatch, Claire would still be missing, Ethan would still be at large, Walt would not have been taken, Boone had not died, Aaron had not been born and we would not have known the backstories of characters like Hurley, Jin and Michael. Even though all of those happened in the back twelve episodes of the season, the initial thirteen still never stalled and had an amount of adequate amount of plot and character to suffice. These large network seasons were able to give the show a very big scope and something that might have seemed rushed with a shorter season.
House is another show that does not need to be shortened. It is pretty much the same show every week and that is not going to change if they have sixteen episodes per year or twenty-four.
24 is probably a show that could benefit by reducing to eighteen to twenty-two episodes, but any shorter would not give the show its scope, which is something that would very well for five seasons of 120 episodes.
And a shorter season is not a magic problem solver. People say that Heroes should set an end date and that it is better in smaller volumes and should not be airing so many episodes per year, when really Heroes just sucks.
Yeah I don't think anything is going to help Heroes...and I don't think it is a magic problem solver for bad shows (like Heroes). But it would help level the playing field some. Imagine Mad Men if they had to double the episodes...you can see that they would have had a harder time maintaining a consistant level on the show because even with half the number there were times/episodes they show dragged a little.
I do think there are several shows that would benefit fit from shorter seasons (Grey's Anatomy, Brothers & Sisters, Desperate Housewives, etc.). Mostly dramas or dramedys...sitcoms can stick to their full seasons (IMO). I think House could be shortened...it doesn't have to be but it would cut out some of the less interesting cases.
Lost COULD have been shortened its first season, but I see what you are saying. I am glad they realized though that shortening the seasons made the show run much "tighter" and I think has really helped keep the show at the top of its game.
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Interesting points. I agree that Lost might not have had the same season it originally had if it were only 12 or 16 episodes.
Who knows though if the creators of the show would still not have had the same ideas and season one would have just been broken into two seasons. So instead of being one big long season, it would have cut off mid-way point with a big cliff hanger and then resumed the following year. I hope that makes sense.
In the case of Heroes, I do not care whether or not a show has a 12 or 24 episode season, if the material is bad, then it (or any show) will stink no matter the length of the season.
I agree shows like Brothers & Sisters and Desperate Housewives could be shortened. Especially this past year you could tell the writers/creators did not know what to do with some of the characters (Dana Delany or Luke Grimes anyone?) and could have done without their silly storylines.
This is why I am not worried about Chuck on NBC. While yes I have enjoyed the full seasons of Chuck, I think it can still be a quality show with only 13 episodes. And there are aspects of it that may even get better with the reduced season.
As far as Mad Men goes, I think it would suffer if it had to have 24 episodes per a season. Although I think it would still be good if it had 16-18 per a season. I think the writers are so damn good and they have so many historical events to use as a back drop the show would still be highly entertaining in my opinion.
G'Day, regarding the ammount of episodes that a network series should have I'm not sure. Boston Legal was serviced really well this year with a 13 episode order (and for the first time in the series history there wasn't a poor episode in the season). Then again, there's also the West Wing seasons 1 & 2, Office Season 2, AD season 1 etc... that I would not want to get rid of a single episode.
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Originally posted by BamaEd: I think the biggest surprise will be someone FINALLY mentions that Jeremy Piven was quite bald several years ago, but now has a full head of hair! Why don't people talk about that?
Seriously, quit the picking on Jeremy Piven (or anyone else). If it's not a question of performance, I don't care.
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Originally posted by Zembla: would there be a big uproar if only cable shows made it into Best Drama category?
There is no possible way that we will have SIX cable shows for Best Drama. IMPOSSIBLE.
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I think it is possible that this yr. Best Drama Series contenders will be all cable shows. If there was one show from the network that has a realistic shot of getting in that I would pick is Lost b/c anytime that I would watch this past season I was impressed and I can't say that about any other network show besides ER & FNL.
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