Originally posted by Zembla: At this point, Battlestar Galatica actually has a better shot...
The voters don't have the nuts to go that route; no gonads, no...you get the idea. Despite the evidence that BSG has contenders in every single drama series category, from series to sound design, they won't look past their genre bias. It will not happen. As much as fans of the show hope they'd check those prejudices at the door, especially after Friday's epic goodbye (and they've set the bar awfully high for Lost and every big-ticket drama still out there to end their show with as much flourish and greatness), old habits die hard.
You will see Mary McDonnell nominated this summer - only it'll be for Grey's Anatomy. It's like Emmy voters have a parental block on SciFi's channel number in the Southland. If it were on HBO, it would have earned 20 awards by now. But that's a whole 'nother bias for another topic; True Blood? The Ladies Detective Agency? No.
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G'Day, McDonnell may have had an outside shot if they still had the panel system, but Battlestar isn't looking too hot with puerly the popular vote.
The thing in their favour is that the writers and directors seem to be aware of this series and like it. With this apparently impressive fianl likley being submitted in both these categories they have a good chance of getting nominated in both. And hey depending on the field they might be able to get a win (directing more likley).
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DRAMA SERIES 24 Lost Mad Men ****************** Heroes Friday Night Lights Battlestar Galactica
Best Drama Actor Bryan Cranston, Breaking Bad James Spader, Boston Legal Kiefer Sutherland, 24 Gabriel Byrne, In Treatment Jon Hamm, Mad Men Hugh Laurie, House
Best Drama Actress Kyra Sedgwick, The Closer Sally Field, Brothers & Sisters Mariska Hargitay, Law & Order: SVU Glenn Close, Damages Mary McDonnell, Battlestar Galactica January Jones, Mad Men
Best Drama Supporting Actor Michael Emerson, Lost Terry O'Quinn, Lost Josh Holloway, Lost Taylor Kitsch, Friday Night Lights Vincent Kartheiser, Mad Men John Slattery, Mad Men
Best Drama Supporting Actress Cherry Jones, 24 Annie Wersching, 24 Katherine Heigl, Grey's Anatomy Connie Britton, Friday Night Lights Christina Hendricks, Mad Men Elizabeth Moss, Mad Men
COMEDY SERIES 30 Rock Californication Entourage The Office Two and a Half Men Weeds
Best Comedy Actor Steve Carrell, The Office Alec Baldwin, 30 Rock Charlie Sheen, Two and a Half Men David Duchovny, Californication Eric McCormack, Trust Me
Best Comedy Actress Tina Fey, 30 Rock Mary Louise Parker, Weeds Christina Applegate, Samantha Who? Julia Louis-Dreyfus, New Adventures of Old Christine Toni Collette, The United States of Tara
Best Supporting Comedy Actor Jeremy Piven, Entourage Evan Handler, Californication Kevin Connolly or Kevin Dillon, Entourage Jon Cryer, Two and a Half Men Neil Patrick Harris, How I Met Your Mother Jack McBrayer, 30 Rock Rainn Wilson, The Office
Best Supporting Comedy Actress Jamie Pressley, My Name Is Earl Elizabeth Perkins, Weeds Jane Krakowski, 30 Rock Jenna Fischer, The Office Jean Smart, Samantha Who? Monica Potter, Trust Me
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Originally posted by jss0058: I'm mostly interested in seeing if 24 gets back into the drama race and if so who it bumps...and then I'm always interested in supporting categories as they always seem to have the most changes in them. I'm sure most of the lead races & best comedy will be the same stuff as last year.
24 is a lock for a Drama Series nom, it's having its best year ever.
Originally posted by jss0058: I'm mostly interested in seeing if 24 gets back into the drama race and if so who it bumps...and then I'm always interested in supporting categories as they always seem to have the most changes in them. I'm sure most of the lead races & best comedy will be the same stuff as last year.
24 is a lock for a Drama Series nom, it's having its best year ever.
I wouldn't call it LOCK and I don't think it is having its best year ever. It is EXTREMLY probable that it will return to the line-up and it is for sure better than its last season, but it will just be interesting to see what it bumps if it does get back in.
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Originally posted by jss0058: I'm mostly interested in seeing if 24 gets back into the drama race and if so who it bumps...and then I'm always interested in supporting categories as they always seem to have the most changes in them. I'm sure most of the lead races & best comedy will be the same stuff as last year.
24 is a lock for a Drama Series nom, it's having its best year ever.
I wouldn't call it LOCK and I don't think it is having its best year ever. It is EXTREMLY probable that it will return to the line-up and it is for sure better than its last season, but it will just be interesting to see what it bumps if it does get back in.
Yeah, 24 always does well w/ the popular vote. Even during the awful season 6 it made the top 10 (probably top 5 but i guess we'll never know). W/ all of the good press it's received this year, it should have no problem whatsoever slipping in. I bet it knocks out Boston Legal. Sure, the Academy loves that show, but it's been off the air for awhile now, and maybe they'll finally forget about it.
I'm not sure if the academy has ever love "24". It took five years for the series and Sutherland to nab wins. They've repeatedly ignored the supporting cast, and of course it failed to get a nom when it was last eligible. That might have been a terrible season, but sense it just won series and actor thr year before, it's still a telling snub.
I think its win may have been a 'finally'. Getting out the way the rather inevitable. Its only main competition was "Grey's Anatomy" and I don't think the academy ever took that seriously. Now that the show has won the voters may be over it.
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"Entourage" "The Office" "30 Rock" "Scrubs" "Two and a Half Men" "Ugly Betty"
Lead Actor in a Comedy Series
Alec Baldwin, "30 Rock" Zach Braff, "Scrubs" Steve Carell, "The Office" David Duchovny, "Californication" Tony Shalhoub, "Monk" Charlie Sheen, "Two and a Half Men"
Lead Actress in a Comedy Series
Christina Applegate, "Samantha Who?" Toni Collette, "United States of Tara" America Ferrera, "Ugly Betty" Tina Fey, "30 Rock" Julia Louis-Dreyfus, "The New Adventures of Old Christine" Mary-Louise Parker, "Weeds"
Supporting Actor in a Comedy Series
Jon Cryer, "Two and a Half Men" Kevin Dillon, "Entourage" Neil Patrick Harris, "How I Met Your Mother" Tracy Morgan, "30 Rock" Jeremy Piven, "Entourage" Rainn Wilson, "The Office"
Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series
Jane Krakowski, "30 Rock" Amy Poehler, "Saturday Night Live" Jaime Pressly, "My Name Is Earl" Jean Smart, "Samantha Who?" Holland Taylor, "Two and a Half Men" Vanessa Williams, "Ugly Betty"
Guest Actor in a Comedy Series
Will Arnett, "30 Rock" Beau Bridges, "Desperate Housewives" Albert Brooks, "Weeds" Jon Hamm, "30 Rock" Steve Martin, "30 Rock" Dean Winters, "30 Rock"
Guest Actress in a Comedy Series
Polly Bergen, "Desperate Housewives" Salma Hayek, "30 Rock" Kathryn Joosten, "Desperate Housewives" Swoosie Kurtz, "Desperate Housewives" Elaine Stritch, "30 Rock" Betty White, "My Name Is Earl"
Michael Emerson, "Lost" William Hurt, "Damages" John Mahoney, "In Treatment" Terry O'Quinn, "Lost" William Shatner, "Boston Legal" John Slattery, "Mad Men"
Patrick Fischler, "Mad Men" Michael J. Fox, "Rescue Me" Matthew Lillard, "Law & Order: Special Victims Unit" Robert Morse, "Mad Men" Eric Stoltz, "Grey's Anatomy" Glynn Turman, "In Treatment"
Guest Actress in a Drama Series
Brenda Blethyn, "Law & Order: Special Victims Unit" Carol Burnett, "Law & Order: Special Victims Unit" Ellen Burstyn, "Law & Order: Special Victims Unit" Blythe Danner, "Medium" Faye Dunaway, "Grey's Anatomy" Melinda McGraw, "Mad Men"
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All three of the 'Grey's women will return despite the sharp decline in quality, ratings, and interest by voters?
That's what it says.
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Originally posted by Brilliance inmorbid: I'm not sure if the academy has ever love "24". It took five years for the series and Sutherland to nab wins. They've repeatedly ignored the supporting cast, and of course it failed to get a nom when it was last eligible. That might have been a terrible season, but sense it just won series and actor thr year before, it's still a telling snub.
I think its win may have been a 'finally'. Getting out the way the rather inevitable. Its only main competition was "Grey's Anatomy" and I don't think the academy ever took that seriously. Now that the show has won the voters may be over it.
You guys really think about all this differently than I do.
And since when does Emmy say: Oh, you've won, so we'll stop? More like: you've won, let's give you ten more awards cause we love you so much.
But even more than that, it's this.
For Best Comedy, they consistently rely on: What's funniest?
We may think (and I do) shows like Californication and Entourage had superlative seasons and deserve to be on the top. But I know for sure, that since 30 Rock consistently brings the FUNNY, that's what's going to win BEST COMEDY.
So, too, with Best Drama. Too many people in here get all caught up in "what's flavor of the year? Who's everyone talking about?" etc. Step away from that.
What consistently is the BEST DRAMA? As in, keeps you surprised, keeps you on the edge of your seat, keeps the plot (even the most lame-brained plot) moving along?
And yes, 24, even in the snow leopard season kept things moving along. As such, whatever your own personal preference...24 has been, in all its seasons, superlatively exciting. Pulse-pounding, even. So, I say, YES, it is, at this moment, for all those reasons, a lock for one of the slots in Best Drama (top six).
For me, the only ones this year that ARE in that category for sure are 24, Lost and Mad Men. (Locks)
All three shows suffer from the same thing as far as getting its cast nominated. Nominations for Best Actor/Actress are given to those whom the show revolves around. Kiefer's set, Jon Hamm probably too.
With all three, there are too many supporting players to break away from the pack. Supporting nominations are either so strong they should've been in Lead (Jeremy Piven or Terry O'Quinn or Michael Emerson) or so memorable they have to be there, even with a small role (Gregory Itzen, in 24, for example).
The supporting actor/actress category is traditionally tougher, since so many are fighting for a slot there. They have to really stand out (hence why "hammy" performances often get in).
So far in 24 this season, Annie Wershing is a strong contender. What's hindering her from having a lock right now is that she hasn't really had an arc. Itzen, you'll remember, started the season as a bumbling fumbling dweeb, then you find out he's actually the Big Bad. Wershing right now is in the category of memorable, even in the "shoulda been a Lead" category, but she has yet to have that killer moment that makes her a lock. But I'm waiting for it.
Originally posted by Brilliance inmorbid: I'm not sure if the academy has ever love "24". It took five years for the series and Sutherland to nab wins. They've repeatedly ignored the supporting cast, and of course it failed to get a nom when it was last eligible. That might have been a terrible season, but sense it just won series and actor thr year before, it's still a telling snub.
I think its win may have been a 'finally'. Getting out the way the rather inevitable. Its only main competition was "Grey's Anatomy" and I don't think the academy ever took that seriously. Now that the show has won the voters may be over it.
They loved it enough to give it five straight nominations. For an action show, that's pretty crazy. Look at BSG, Alias, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, etc. etc. A lot of those shows couldn't even snag one nomination. Again, I really think the only reason it didn't get nominated for its sixth season is because of the panel system. If it had been a strict popular vote (like this year) I bet it would have been nominated.
The reason it took so long for 24 to win is because, once it gets nominated, it has a huge disadvantage. It's so serialized that any individual episode it submits doesn't carry the same impact of an episode from any other given show (w/ the exception of Lost).
Getting nominated by a popular vote has never been a problem, and I don't see it being a problem this year. The popular vote is all about buzz. 24 has it this year.
The main problem for 24 is that its very rare that a show gets back into the series category, be it drama or comedy after having been passed over for a year.
Lost is the exception to the rule.
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Originally posted by happyegg: The main problem for 24 is that its very rare that a show gets back into the series category, be it drama or comedy after having been passed over for a year.
Lost is the exception to the rule.
Yeah and I wouldn't even call Lost a LOCK this year since they have passed it over before. The only LOCK in my mind is Mad Men. Damages, 24, Lost, House...all seem probable at this point but I can think of reasons why they MIGHT not make it in.
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Originally posted by Brilliance inmorbid: I'm not sure if the academy has ever love "24". It took five years for the series and Sutherland to nab wins. They've repeatedly ignored the supporting cast, and of course it failed to get a nom when it was last eligible. That might have been a terrible season, but sense it just won series and actor thr year before, it's still a telling snub.
I think its win may have been a 'finally'. Getting out the way the rather inevitable. Its only main competition was "Grey's Anatomy" and I don't think the academy ever took that seriously. Now that the show has won the voters may be over it.
They loved it enough to give it five straight nominations. For an action show, that's pretty crazy. Look at BSG, Alias, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, etc. etc. A lot of those shows couldn't even snag one nomination. Again, I really think the only reason it didn't get nominated for its sixth season is because of the panel system. If it had been a strict popular vote (like this year) I bet it would have been nominated.
I think there's a huge difference between a space opera on the Sci-fi, a spy caper, a series about a teenage girl who stabs vampires and what '24' is. '24' was always seen as a political thriller. It had overwhelming acclaim going into its first Emmy year, and it was seen as a groundbreaker. I think the novelty might have warn off. There was an extreme amount of initial hype over this season, but I don't think it's lived up to it. And there are more options out there than just several years ago. It's certainly a major contender. But it's a bit aways from sure-bet.
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Originally posted by Brilliance inmorbid: I'm not sure if the academy has ever love "24". It took five years for the series and Sutherland to nab wins. They've repeatedly ignored the supporting cast, and of course it failed to get a nom when it was last eligible. That might have been a terrible season, but sense it just won series and actor thr year before, it's still a telling snub.
I think its win may have been a 'finally'. Getting out the way the rather inevitable. Its only main competition was "Grey's Anatomy" and I don't think the academy ever took that seriously. Now that the show has won the voters may be over it.
They loved it enough to give it five straight nominations. For an action show, that's pretty crazy. Look at BSG, Alias, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, etc. etc. A lot of those shows couldn't even snag one nomination. Again, I really think the only reason it didn't get nominated for its sixth season is because of the panel system. If it had been a strict popular vote (like this year) I bet it would have been nominated.
I think there's a huge difference between a space opera on the Sci-fi, a spy caper, a series about a teenage girl who stabs vampires and what '24' is. '24' was always seen as a political thriller. It had overwhelming acclaim going into its first Emmy year, and it was seen as a groundbreaker. I think the novelty might have warn off. There was an extreme amount of initial hype over this season, but I don't think it's lived up to it. And there are more options out there than just several years ago. It's certainly a major contender. But it's a bit aways from sure-bet.
Not to mention that BTVS was on The WB, a network the Emmys never acknowledged in the big categories and was a show that never managed to crak the top 50 shows on TV. BSG is on Sci-Fi another channel that nobody notices in big categories. and Alias aired during a time when ABC was lucky to get nominated at all.
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kept things moving along. As such, whatever your own personal preference...24 has been, in all its seasons, superlatively exciting. Pulse-pounding, even. So, I say, YES, it is, at this moment, for all those reasons, a lock for one of the slots in Best Drama (top six).