Yeah, it is looking like they are about to pair Sharon and Nick back together and I could not be more excited. And I was a huge supporter of Nick and Phyllis getting together when they started having the affair...but at the same time, Nick and Sharon are a fairytale romance. They made a marriage on daytime that lasted ten years, which seems like it's unheard of nowadays. Plus, I love Sharon Case and Joshua Morrow together. Michelle Stafford is an amazing actress and I adore her but I feel the Nick/Phyllis pairing has ran its course and it is time for Nick to reunite with the true love of his life, Sharon Collins Newman!

I just watched Friday's eppy of the Y&R and Christel Khalil just gave Billy Miller a look that said "YUMMY." I hope the writers caught that because I saw more chemistry in that split second between "Billy" and "Lily" than I've ever scene between "Lily" and "Cane."

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Yeah, it is looking like they are about to pair Sharon and Nick back together and I could not be more excited. And I was a huge supporter of Nick and Phyllis getting together when they started having the affair...but at the same time, Nick and Sharon are a fairytale romance. They made a marriage on daytime that lasted ten years, which seems like it's unheard of nowadays. Plus, I love Sharon Case and Joshua Morrow together. Michelle Stafford is an amazing actress and I adore her but I feel the Nick/Phyllis pairing has ran its course and it is time for Nick to reunite with the true love of his life, Sharon Collins Newman!

To be fair, they have not written any story for Nick and Phyllis for about 8 months. I'd like to see them given a real story that would maybe lead to them coming apart, without Sharon being involved. I didn't care for Nick and Sharon. They are dull as dirt, in my mind. I have no doubt they will be back on my TV screen causing me to FF like there is no tomorrow, but I would hope I could have a reprieve from a "Shick" repairing for a least another year.

Been a while since i really chimed in on the current state of Y&R, so here goes............


First, what a vast improvement in the quality of the writing and the stories. Maria Arena Bell and Hogan Sheffer are giving us the old Y&R we've come to know and love. Brilliant!

I've been loving the fact that the show has been giving us our favorite vets in good, edge of your seat storylines. Mere accolades aren't enough for Eric Braeden and Melody Thomas Scott. The two have stole the show in 2008 with a plotline even Bill Bell would be proud of. The show is never better than when Nikki and Victor are going at each other's throat "War Of The Roses" style.

As a big Nick and Sharon fan, i'm loving the fact that the show seems to be heading in a direction that may put that supercouple back together. How refreshing and absolutely delicious would if be if Phyllis was the one who got dumped....becoming the cheatee rather than the cheater!

Chris Egen's Adam has really surprised me as the jilted son who will never quite fit in as a Newman. And i don't know about you guys, but there is something beneath the surface of Adam that is untouched. He looks as if he can snap at any minute and become a serial killer or an abuser. The way he treats sweet as pie Heather sometimes is dangerous. Even she is beginning to see his simmering temper.

The reveal that bitchy Chloe was actually Esther's long lost daughter was a brilliant move on the writers part. FINALLY, the underrated and talented Kate Linder will have something to do other than answer the door or serve Granny her cup of tea.

Now, on the down side......

The show spent way too much time in early 2008 on the Baldwin/Fisher clan. While i love Judith Chapman and Ted Shackelford, the writers threw them in our face 24/7. Ridiculous. And still, Gloria's crimes go unpunished! But there is a quick and easy resolve for this...

Since our beloved Ashley (the beautiful
Eileen Davidson), is heading back in town, i would love to see her make a splash in a big way. I want Ash to find out that Gloria tainted the cream. Then, right before the next big Jabot Board Meeting, as Gloria and Jeffrey are about to seize control of the company, i want Ash to pull aside the dastardly duo and blow them out of the water with an ultimatum. "You either sign over all of your shares of Jabot to me right now, or i will throw both of your asses in jail."

Ash will walk into that boardroom with her designer suit and all jaws will drop. Then she will fire Cane and Jill and make it a family run business again.

As for Cane, BIG BIG mistake making him Jill's son. I want it revealed (especially now that Billy is back), that Cane, is indeed a fraud after all. What a story that would be. Jill will be devastated beyond belief, that news, and her being fired from Jabot, would send her right back to the bottle and FINALLY give the underused Jess Walton a story worthy of her immense talent. Then, in a story that will revisit the past, i want Jill to get in a car loaded and have Katherine try and stop her from driving. Granny is in the car with Jill pleading for her to stop, but Jill speeds off, loses control of the car, and crashes.

Granny Chancellor is on death's door and needs blood ASAP, A drunken Jill, feeling remorse, will donate her's, but it's then they find out there is NO possible way the 2 can be mother and daughter. The accident also leaves Katherine in a wheelchair.

As for Billy, i think the show was lazy on his return. Wasn't it juts a few weeks ago we found out Chloe was really Kate?? Good reveal, wasn't it??

So why would the writers do the same thing and make Liam, Billy Abbott?? That is just plain lazy writing. They could have said Amber met a guy in LA and his name was Bill. Nuff said!

Characters that really need to go......

Brad, Colleen, Kevin, Jana, JT, River and Devon.

I am lookin foward to Olivia's return, but the story would be a better payoff if Dru came with her. Olivia could have been taking care of a comatose Dru all this time, and since it looked like Dru may never wake up....Liv didn't want to give Neil and his family false hope.

OK....that's all for now. It's a beautiful Saturday morning here in Pittsburgh, sunny and 79 today, and i want to finish my tea and go out and enjoy it.

Later!

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Yeah, it is looking like they are about to pair Sharon and Nick back together and I could not be more excited. And I was a huge supporter of Nick and Phyllis getting together when they started having the affair...but at the same time, Nick and Sharon are a fairytale romance. They made a marriage on daytime that lasted ten years, which seems like it's unheard of nowadays. Plus, I love Sharon Case and Joshua Morrow together. Michelle Stafford is an amazing actress and I adore her but I feel the Nick/Phyllis pairing has ran its course and it is time for Nick to reunite with the true love of his life, Sharon Collins Newman!

I couldn't agree more and I felt the same way. Nick was ok with Phyllis for the affair part of the story, but after that, they just lost their appeal for me. I also believe that the break for Joshua and Sharon was a good thing. I have always enjoyed their scenes, but it was time to take the characters in different directions. Just as now it's time to reunite them. Bill Bell obviously loved them as a couple and I sincerely hope that Maria Bell will continue to work toward getting the show back to it's former glory. She has done an amazing job on all fronts IMO, but reuniting Nick with Sharon would be icing on the cake for me.

Mark, I have to say I always enjoy reading your very thoughtful and interesting posts. We may not always agree about storylines, but you never attack nor demean anyone for their opinions and you have no idea how much I appreciate that about you.

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Mark, I have to say I always enjoy reading your very thoughtful and interesting posts. We may not always agree about storylines, but you never attack nor demean anyone for their opinions and you have no idea how much I appreciate that about you. [/QUOTE]



southrnbygrace......thank you for the kind words, i really appreciate them.

I'm not a fan of Nick and Sharon getting back together. Nick and Phyllis had immense chemistry and then the writers just stopped writing for them. I can't think of one storyline they've had since then that was about them. They've either had separate storylines or played second fiddle to someone else's story. Arguing about the magazine is so uninteresting. Sharon and Nick get together, cheat, break up, get back together, cheat, etc. Enough already. For the life of me, I don't understand why Sharon is still on the show. If I were in charge, she'd be one of the first characters written off.

I'm also not a fan of changing Cane's parentage. Leave him a Chancellor. Goddard is one of the few things Latham got right. He can act. He has great chemistry with Cooper and Walton and he'd be a great lead opposite any of the available women save for the wet blankets he's stuck with. Why change something that works?

I'm not on the Y&R is back on track bandwagon. There have been some very strong moments, but this past week in particular was dull. I care nothing about Daniel and Amber (another why is she on the show? character) or Colleen. The Baldwins don't do anything for me. There are just way too many unnecessary characters.

not sure when it's gonna happen
& haven't seen friday's ep yet...will see it monday morn.
but billy abbott is gonna be amber's liam?
& he's gonna be chloe's baby daddy? how/what/who does she know him as?

MARKPGH, great thoughts.

Do you think it might help the show to bring back Traci? For the sake of Brad and Colleen? They really are useless at this point.

I'd really love it if they brought back Dina Abbott to explore the fact that Ashley is not John's daughter. In fact a full Abbott reunion (minus John) would be an amazing event for Y&R, with the return of Abby, Kyle & Diane Jenkins! I'd even be happy if Keemo came back.

Cannot wait for the return of Ashley!!! And her BFF Olivia!

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I'm not a fan of Nick and Sharon getting back together. Nick and Phyllis had immense chemistry and then the writers just stopped writing for them. I can't think of one storyline they've had since then that was about them. They've either had separate storylines or played second fiddle to someone else's story. Arguing about the magazine is so uninteresting. Sharon and Nick get together, cheat, break up, get back together, cheat, etc. Enough already. For the life of me, I don't understand why Sharon is still on the show. If I were in charge, she'd be one of the first characters written off.

I'm also not a fan of changing Cane's parentage. Leave him a Chancellor. Goddard is one of the few things Latham got right. He can act. He has great chemistry with Cooper and Walton and he'd be a great lead opposite any of the available women save for the wet blankets he's stuck with. Why change something that works?

I'm not on the Y&R is back on track bandwagon. There have been some very strong moments, but this past week in particular was dull. I care nothing about Daniel and Amber (another why is she on the show? character) or Colleen. The Baldwins don't do anything for me. There are just way too many unnecessary characters.

Colleen is painful to watch. I don't think Sharon and Nick will be back together now that Sharon Case is going to have a baby. I doubt they would screw up Nick's character with him getting another woman pregnant while being married. Looks like Sharon and Jack are having a baby. Or maybe it will be Brad since the writers have oddly brought him into her orbit again.

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While not a big fan of Sharon and Nick, i acknowledge that at one time they were the golden couple, I think they were the youngest couple Y&R had, that been said, it was tiresome and boring to watch them cheat to stimulate their marriage, anytime it got dull they would cheat and make up, it became repetitive. That been said, Nick and Phyllis are married, and I have yet to see a storyline regarding their marraige that has not involved Sharon, the writers seems to have dropped the ball on this couple, I would enjoy a story line where they loved and fought as a married couple, instead of always at work. Even when I worked beside my husband, we found time to go to the movies and do normal stuff, when was the last time we saw anything like that for Phyllis and Nick

Now my other peeve, why is it that Lily does not have a problem with Colleen dating Daniel too unrealistic

Chloe takes the cake, and Cane is an idiot, I would love for Jess to have a meaty storyline other than worrying about Jabot//Chancellor, give Jill a man and a story.

Lily/Cane the worst pairing they are boring, Lily showed more life in her with Billy than I have seen in months of so called angst with Cane. Although all that drinking she did at the gallery was alarming

Finally was Daniel channelling Johnny Depp in Benny and Joon in that outfit, it was scary and he looked like hell.

I just finished watching Mondays episode. I have one comment. I really hope one of the things new EP Paul Rauch implements is reeling in some of the actors. One in particular.

Don't get me wrong, i really like Christian Leblanc. However, his scenery chewing can get a little annoying. I think Christian is best when he's not bouncing off the walls.

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I just finished watching Mondays episode. I have one comment. I really hope one of the things new EP Paul Rauch implements is reeling in some of the actors. One in particular.

Don't get me wrong, i really like Christian Leblanc. However, his scenery chewing can get a little annoying. I think Christian is best when he's not bouncing off the walls.

I'd include Greg Rikaart in that mention as well. IMHO, the decline in quality of Rikaart's performance over the 1-2 years has been shocking. Part of that may be the character: Kevin isn't the least bit interesting to me anymore, Actually, he's really annoying. Especially in scenes like yesterday when Kevin is telling everyone what an a--hole Billy is and telling Amber how she should stay away from him. What was missing in those scenes, aside from a passing mention of it by Amber, is Billy reminding Kevin of his past deeds, like pedophilia and attempted murder. For some reason, no matter who the HW is of this show, they seems to want to keep the Fisher/Baldwin clan untouchable.

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Originally posted by TYATR Fan:
I just finished watching Mondays episode. I have one comment. I really hope one of the things new EP Paul Rauch implements is reeling in some of the actors. One in particular.

Don't get me wrong, i really like Christian Leblanc. However, his scenery chewing can get a little annoying. I think Christian is best when he's not bouncing off the walls.

I'd include Greg Rikaart in that mention as well. IMHO, the decline in quality of Rikaart's performance over the 1-2 years has been shocking. Part of that may be the character: Kevin isn't the least bit interesting to me anymore, Actually, he's really annoying. Especially in scenes like yesterday when Kevin is telling everyone what an a--hole Billy is and telling Amber how she should stay away from him. What was missing in those scenes, aside from a passing mention of it by Amber, is Billy reminding Kevin of his past deeds, like pedophilia and attempted murder. For some reason, no matter who the HW is of this show, they seems to want to keep the Fisher/Baldwin clan untouchable.

I agree, zackfins. No mention of the fact that he almost burned Billy's niece to a crisp in a fire he set.

This is one of the reasons why i hate (minus Lauren), the Baldwin/Fisher clan. Every other character on this show has their comuppance but this crew.

Unexcusable!

Please for the love of GOD, don't put CK/Lily with BM/Billy. I think that chemistry was all BM. He just has an amazing screen presence. CK is good at playing cute but she can't carry a front-burner s/l. She would suck the life out of BM.

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I just finished watching Monday's episode, and I just thought I'd chime in about my thoughts on the show as of late.

I have to preface my thoughts with this: OLTL was must see soap opera TV for the past few months...right up until the Mendorra mess/botched Tina return. It was right around that time that I started to watch Y&R again (because there were great rumblings on these boards about the show's improvement). Since that time, my OLTL hour has been replaced by Y&R. Oh wait, I have to preface my thoughts with someone else: Six or so months ago, I tried to tune into Y&R, and I found it completely unbearable...too many newbies, that magazine drama, etc. I feel differently about what is happening at Y&R, here's why....

Vets are front and center DRIVING STORY. Something’s going on with Victor and Nikki/Nick/Phyllis/Sharon/Noah/Victoria/JTAdam/Heather/Jack/Katherine/ETC are all affected and interested in knowing what is going on. With Ashley returning, there is great potential here. I like the stories that are connected to this: Restless Style for Nick and Sharon, Victoria back at Newman, Neil in charge at Newman, Jack continuing the vendetta against Victor…….

The alliances are clear: Jana/Kevin/Amber (it makes sense that they are friends), Amber/Kay, Ashley/Olivia (I guarantee you the writers will play them together), Colleen/Lily, Daniel/Kevin, Nikki/Kay, Nick/Daniel, etc. I like how friends get together and talk on this show. I like that Colleen and Lily had a conversation about how Lily felt about Colleen dating her ex-husband.

The rivalries are REALLY great. Jack/Victor, Kevin/Billy, Daniel/Billy, Cane/Billy (?) , Adam/Victor, Nick & Victoria/Adam, Amber/Colleen, Jill/Katherine, Jill/Esther, Jill/Chloe, etc. There is so much subtext because of all of the different connections, good and bad, between so many people. And, thankfully, the subtext is clear on this show because you know which characters like each other and which ones do not. On most other shows, the characters are shaded so gray or their motivations (or story) change so quickly that it is difficult to tell how the characters feel about anyone at any given time (AMC’s JR is a character that comes to mind: Who are his friends? Enemies? It’s hard for me to tell.)

Great parallels that drive alliances and rivalries. I know some people feel like recycling stories is lazy. While I agree, as long as the story is told well and played with characters that I enjoy, I don’t really care. As a matter of fact, I really don’t mind if the kernel of a story is retread as long as it is a CHARACTER-DRIVEN story, it should be very different from the original story because the characters are different.

Speaking of character-driven, it seems a lot of people get frustrated by the Baldwin/Fisher clan, but you know what I appreciate most about the writing for that crew: they are written true to character. IMO, the Kevin I watch today is exactly how I would expect him to be several years after his debut on the show as a much more smarmy character. He is not perfect. A clever guy. Quite insecure. Still a little smarmy. Slightly-off sense of humor. A little more caring. He still seems to have the potential to be dangerous, but he does a much better job of keeping it in check. One of the things I absolutely love about soap operas is that you have the time to develop a character and watch it grow and change over time. I think the maturation evident in Kevin Fisher has a lot to do with Greg Rikaart.

It makes sense to me that the Baldwin/Fisher clan, with all their self-esteem issues and perspective of themselves as the scrappy underdogs, would try to get away with whatever they can, but feel like the rest of the world is trying to look down their noses at them. And, my goodness, consider the crew: Michael Baldwin, attorney at law, with his very shady past; smarmy Kevin Fisher; and, good gawd, Gloria, the one responsible for these two with Terrible Tom and absent River. They may be annoying at times, but I think they are supposed to be. And, as characters, the reasons they do what they do make sense to me. That is the kind of writing that will keep me coming back. I may not always like what a character is doing, but just as long as it is MAKES SENSE FOR THAT CHARACTER, I can go with it.

OK, I know a lot of people feel as if they can do without Jana, Amber, Colleen, and some of those other characters. It is quite strange, I find myself interested in getting to know these characters better now. A few months ago, I would see them clogging the screen and would delete the show from my TiVO. But something has changed. Chloe/Kate is now intimately tied to Jill, Kay, and Esther. I remembered that Colleen is an Abbott, after all, and she’s exploring things with Daniel, Phyllis’s son, who I happen to like. Cane, Jill’s son and Kay’s grandson. Lily, Neil’s “daughter”. I can tolerate Jana right now because I like Kevin…as I watch her, she seems like a nice enough girl (once you get by the whole murderess with a brain tumor thing, but again I am willing to get beyond that if they find who this character is and play that). I LOVE the way the show is playing Noah…we are getting to know him through his parents once a week or so. By the time he begins his romance with Michael’s sister, I will care enough about Noah that I might be patient enough (and interested enough to get to know her).

I am not certain where the show is headed, but there seem to be all sorts of clues and interesting possibilities:

Is Billy the father of Chloe’s baby? Jill would still be grandma along with Esther.

Will a triangle develop for Cane, Lily, and Billy? I have to tell you that I am more interested in this for the possible dynamic between the brothers. I wish they would make Lily more of a bit--, or at least a little more like her mother. Right now, she reminds me of Olivia, which is not the worst thing in the world, but spicing her up could make things a LOT more interesting. Lily just shouldn’t be that “angsty”.

How great is it that the Abbotts are returning to the fore!!!

Gloria should get her comeuppance and it would be great (as someone mentioned earlier) for Ashley to be the one to reveal Gloria’s treachery.

Kay is becoming more and more forgetful? Dementia? Alzheimer’s?

Nick and Sharon. They remind me, at times, of ATWT’s Carly and Jack. I don’t mind the back and forth as long as it is interesting. They will certainly forever be in the same universe, if for no other reason than Noah. Do I want them back together? Right now, no. I have never really been the biggest fan of theirs, but I get their appeal. But, written well enough, I may root for them to get back together. Or, I just may want them to be civil with one another. I am grateful for Sharon’s pairing with Nick because I LOVE her relationships with Victor and Nikki!!!

OK, I let it rest for now. Just my humble opinion. ☺

Ok I enjoy Y&R just as much as the next guy, but I do have one gripe in all its new found success. New characters!

With the exception of Adam (technically not a new character), I'm not fond of MAB's new blood. Tyra and especially Ana were dudsville. The jury is still out on Michael Gross new character, but I definitely don't like the young actress playing the annoying Eden. Remember when the show introduced characters like Gloria, Bobby and Kevin. They were instant hits, primarily because of great casting. I hope with a new casting director at the helm, we'll see that improve.

On a side note, I give up! I can't take Michael Graz as a straight stud girls are fighting for. That fantasy Amber had this week of Colleen and Daniel getting down and dirty was freaking funny. In a bad way. Much like his onscreen dad Danny, these characters come off more gay than straight. They could possible go down in the books as the "gayest" father/son duo EVER to hit daytime!

With Graz in the role, I'd buy the character of Daniel more if they brought him out of the closet I truly believe he lives in.

As much as I appreciate the work of TPTB in their resurrection of Y&R the past few months, I am blown away by the horrendous casting of Eden - one of the worst actresses I've ever had the displeasure of watching on the show. Laughable. FF material. And how does the actress playing Colleen still have her job? Y&R needs to cut its losses with this terrible twosome just as it shrewdly did with Anna and Tyra.

On the other hand, I'll give credit where credit is due. Chris E really had grown into the role of Adam. I love the character and the actor - he should be getting more screen time.