Originally posted by jw79bull: I guess the end justifies the means..
Not for me. And yes I have lauded the work of Haskell this week but this storyline has to be taken with such a huge grain of salt. Remember, some of us watched Marty get gang raped and even though Susan has been acting her a$$ off; seeing the character get raped again just to get this great perfromance is still not enough.
Well Todd is a Rapist. He raped two women and tried to kill and rape Nora when she was blind..The character is an evil person, so it do make sense that he would rape Marty again. He uses rape as control. He was trying to controll everything, and in his sick mind that is the only way he could get what he wanted. We may not like it, but that is who Todd Manning is.
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Originally posted by jw79bull: I guess the end justifies the means..
Not for me. And yes I have lauded the work of Haskell this week but this storyline has to be taken with such a huge grain of salt. Remember, some of us watched Marty get gang raped and even though Susan has been acting her a$$ off; seeing the character get raped again just to get this great perfromance is still not enough.
Well Todd is a Rapist. He raped two women and tried to kill and rape Nora when she was blind..The character is an evil person, so it do make sense that he would rape Marty again. He uses rape as control. He was trying to controll everything, and in his sick mind that is the only way he could get what he wanted. We may not like it, but that is who Todd Manning is.
Here's a thought; maybe there was a different way to redeem Todd Manning, which is what this story tried, and failed, to do. I'm glad you are enjoying this story but really, 5 days of good does not erase 5 months of bad and Carlivati, or whomever is writing this show, should've came up with a better way to tell another Todd and Marty story.
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Marty should have shot Todd right in between his 2 little balls today!! Susan Haskell was stellar once again. WOW!! I was clapping and laughing as John beat the crap out of Todd. Should have kicked him in the head a few times too damn it!LOL!!
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Well Todd is a Rapist. He raped two women and tried to kill and rape Nora when she was blind..The character is an evil person, so it do make sense that he would rape Marty again. He uses rape as control. He was trying to controll everything, and in his sick mind that is the only way he could get what he wanted. We may not like it, but that is who Todd Manning is.
Here's a thought; maybe there was a different way to redeem Todd Manning, which is what this story tried, and failed, to do. I'm glad you are enjoying this story but really, 5 days of good does not erase 5 months of bad and Carlivati, or whomever is writing this show, should've came up with a better way to tell another Todd and Marty story.
Bingo JW. In no way do I think this storyline was meant to redeem Todd, misguided as it was. In fact even the way St. John played it is more sick, dispondant, disconnected, and completely detached from how normal people behave and rationalize. The story misstepped too often while other times riveting IMO for other reasons not because they attempted to have the man atone for his sins. What Todd hasn't figured out is that he simply can't. There are are some sins that apologies and favors cannot be apologized for no matter how hard you want to force yourself to. St. John and Carvalati both know this and and that's where I think they should've stayed on course to tell with this story. They just should have never allowed him to violate her all over again but that''s my opinion. I don't think the story is as bad as some, offensive and disturbing at times sure, but certainly worth seeing until that point where he has again toyed and maniplutaed this woman's mind and self-esteem.
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I'll cite yesterday's eppy where Todd stated "I'm a bettter man now," "Falling in love with you made me a better person," as evidence that this was an attempt to redeem Todd. Interesting that Luke and Laura was brought up because that type of redemption is exactly what is trying to be done here.
As disgusting as this thought is this story is insinuating that if the rape victim can forgive and fall in love with the rapist then the act of rape can be forgiven. Sorry, it may have worked with Luke and Laura, convenient amnesia at its worst, but it SHOULD not work here.
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That's the point Fish. Just because the character may insanely believe that or want to believe that...that doesn't mean that everyone writing, directing, producing and acting these sequences expect any of us(the audience) or anyone else to think that it is possible. I just think you're taking too literally what the character is trying to convey compared to what the entire company is trying to convey. There is NO way any other character on this show will ever buy that what Todd did here was noble. Deep down based on how Trevor St. John interpreted the text, even Todd doesn't buy what he wants to be believe. The story went too far yes, but for the last week or so the writing and performances have been as good as anything else on daytime. And I just don't feel like we're being fed a Todd absolution here. We're being shown how truly disconnected he is from the natural world. He's disgusting and apalling but incredibly interesting. I think the work St. John has done the last two weeks is almost, not quite, but almost on the level of how Roger Howarth played Todd.
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I'm just terribly disappointed that OLTL even did this storyline. This is far worse than AMC un-aborting Erica's baby. Who in their right mind at ABC actually thought this was a good idea? The reason why daytime is dying is because the people who write and produce these shows have no respect for the fans (especially women) and for the medium itself. They just continue to insult our intelligence. There are so many other stories they could tell. Daytime is a powerful medium when done right!
Originally posted by AwardsWizard: That's the point Fish. Just because the character may insanely believe that or want to believe that...that doesn't mean that everyone writing, directing, producing and acting these sequences expect any of us(the audience) or anyone else to think that it is possible. I just think you're taking too literally what the character is trying to convey compared to what the entire company is trying to convey. There is NO way any other character on this show will ever buy that what Todd did here was noble. Deep down based on how Trevor St. John interpreted the text, even Todd doesn't buy what he wants to be believe. The story went too far yes, but for the last week or so the writing and performances have been as good as anything else on daytime. And I just don't feel like we're being fed a Todd absolution here. We're being shown how truly disconnected he is from the natural world. He's disgusting and apalling but incredibly interesting. I think the work St. John has done the last two weeks is almost, not quite, but almost on the level of how Roger Howarth played Todd.
Good acting does not justify manipulative story-telling. I don't care how good St. John or Haskell has been and I just finshed watching Thursday's eppy and this is when this storyline, again, breaks down for me. I did not need to know Todd is disconnected from reality. I've watched the character for years and picked up on that fact a long time ago. Marty said it herself "you raped me again" and in my view it was unecessary. There were many ways to use Todd and Marty in a story along with their children but RC and FV took the easy way out and relied on a cliche to keep these two characters togehter for months. Syrus said it best; this story is an insult to the intelligence of the OLTL audience and everyone involved should be ashamed.
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Posts: 5495 | Location: Illinois | Registered: June 30, 2006
I haven't watched this show in a couple of months now, but I hope to catch this week's stuff on SoapNet. It definitely seemed like the story was meant to redeem Todd at first, but once they really started being romantically involved, it became clear that the story was all about hype and the build-up to this payoff they're playing out now, which almost makes me want to not watch it on principle.
Regarding Luke and Laura, did Laura have amnesia when she fell in love with Luke? I was under the impression that because of their being on the run together and spending lots of time with one another, and because Laura had been fairly fond of Luke to begin with, she eventually forgave him and fell in love with him. I didn't think there was any mental or physical impairment involved. That is miles better than the absurd and obscene situation that was written for Todd and Marty.
Susan Haskell's top notch performances are blowing me away. I really hope she gets a pre-nomination for Supporting Actress. St. John, DePaiva, Alderson, Brier and Hilary B. Smith have also been wonderful.
I'm hoping for more of a payoff yet to come, but the acting so far has been super. OLTL is becoming must-see for me again.
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Originally posted by ChargerFan: Susan Haskell's top notch performances are blowing me away. I really hope she get s pre-nomination for Supporting Actress. St. John, DePaiva, Alderson, Brier and Hilary B. Smith have also been wonderful.
I'm hoping for more of a payoff yet to come, but the acting so far has been super. OLTL is becoming must-see for me again.
Awesome post..and i agree. Haskell will be netting an Emmy nomination.
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Wow!! Erika Slezak was sublime on Wednesdays episode. Emmy material for her. However she will need at least 2 more GREAT episodes to secure a nomination and most likely the win. I dont think she had any other standout scenes earlier this year though. So not sure where she will end up.
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OLTL has been stellar for the last two weeks. last week was extremely well done. Andrea Evan's farewell episode was wonderful. Viki and Charlie were great. Erika's scenes of course were amazing. People who left OLTL due to the Marty/Todd storyline are missing some great writing and performances all across the board.
Don't get me wrong I thought OLTL sucked most of the summer. But this is a very nice improvement.
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Originally posted by Blanchett/Winslet Fan: Wow!! Erika Slezak was sublime on Wednesdays episode. Emmy material for her.
Thank you. I quit watching OLTL many years ago. After reading your post, I went over to youtube to watch Slezak in this episode. What a treat! She is still stellar. I was moved by her performance.
I guess I'll have to be the dissenting opinion here, but I didn't think Erika Slezak's performance at Victor's grave was as great as everyone else did. I'm not saying it wasn't good, but it didn't strike me as "Oh my God, what an incredible scene". That's just me.
BTW, did anyone else notice that the year of death on Victor's tombstone read 1976, which was the original year he was killed, instead of 2003, which was the year he "died" after the Mitch Laurence/"Heart of a Lord" fiasco. I definitely know that other shots of Victor's tomb in the last few years have said 2003. Could Ron Carlivati finally be ready to re-visit the conversation between Viki and Dorian in the wine cellar from summer 2007 when Dorian said she really did kill Victor in 1976?
I agree that Slezak's performance was overrated, and I hope the Emmy voters don't fall for it. This reminds me of the Stephanie abuse storyline they tried on B&B to get Flannery a nomination when they realised that she hadn't done anything noteworthy for the entire year.
I wish Slezak would have the grace to remove herself since she had a nothing year, but she rarely removes herself from consideration. Why give up your slot to a more deserving coworker when you can win Emmy number 7?
Originally posted by Crystal: I agree that Slezak's performance was overrated, and I hope the Emmy voters don't fall for it. This reminds me of the Stephanie abuse storyline they tried on B&B to get Flannery a nomination when they realised that she hadn't done anything noteworthy for the entire year.
I wish Slezak would have the grace to remove herself since she had a nothing year, but she rarely removes herself from consideration. Why give up your slot to a more deserving coworker when you can win Emmy number 7?
Crystal speak the truth and shame the devil. The only two divas from that show that warrant a lead nod consideration are Depiva and Strasser. Robbie Strasser drove that show this year and is the actress to beat. Her's was the performance of the year and she get's my vote, hands down for Best Lead Actress.
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I'm glad you guys said something. I don't think Erika is one of those ppl who just submit her name just b/c. While the performance was hit and miss, I think it's Emmy worthy, but I don't think she'll get in for that when the stuff last yr was better. And I say all this w/her getting the pre nom and nom in my predix, so I guess I am contadicting myself but oh well.
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