How sad is it that B&B allowed an actress from ATWT to write for them, yet Y&R didn't even consider Victoria Rowell, one of their own, to write for their show. Y&R is a disgrace.
I don't think that's a fair comparison- from all accounts Byrne is extremely well-loved by pretty much everyone she works with, and people enjoy her. From most accounts, Rowell was difficult and demanding to work with. I think that the two actresses would probably approach the opportunity to write very differently as well.
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Originally posted by bottomchef: How sad is it that B&B allowed an actress from ATWT to write for them, yet Y&R didn't even consider Victoria Rowell, one of their own, to write for their show. Y&R is a disgrace.
Byrne wasn't acting on B&B when she was writing for the show. Rowell wanted to act on Y&R and write for it at the same time. Conflict of interest much? She wanted to write for her own character, so I can see why TPTB would tell her hell no. In the 80's, when Bill Bell allowed Meg Bennett to join the Y&R writing team, he wouldn't allow her to write for her character or characters involved with her character. Rowell's ego-driven situation is a completely different circumstance.
If Rowell got the chance to write for her own character, then every other actor on the show would demand the same, and thus we have a major conflict of interest and more chaos.
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I didn't say she was a good producer! All I said was I admire JFP because she really doesn't interfere in writing — and then I added she should on this show. I was making a point.
Nelson, Thank you very much for conducting this interview! I really do appreciate this.
It's nice how completely candid Martha is about the state of World Turns. If I had time, I would try to catch her on GH maybe I'll watch it on SoapNet. But I only wish her the best as Martha is the Best.
ATWT was completely in the wrong with this entire contract dispute.
I'm glad that she seems really happy in her life.
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Originally posted by bottomchef: How sad is it that B&B allowed an actress from ATWT to write for them, yet Y&R didn't even consider Victoria Rowell, one of their own, to write for their show. Y&R is a disgrace.
Byrne wasn't acting on B&B when she was writing for the show. Rowell wanted to act on Y&R and write for it at the same time. Conflict of interest much? She wanted to write for her own character, so I can see why TPTB would tell her hell no. In the 80's, when Bill Bell allowed Meg Bennett to join the Y&R writing team, he wouldn't allow her to write for her character or characters involved with her character. Rowell's ego-driven situation is a completely different circumstance.
If Rowell got the chance to write for her own character, then every other actor on the show would demand the same, and thus we have a major conflict of interest and more chaos.
I was referring to Y&R rehiring Rowell to be part of their writing team now, with or without her acting on the show. Maurice Bernard was interviewed on Oprah talking about his psychological disorder and how it was written in on GH. And other actors do that to a lesser degree on B&B. Tylo wanted Taylor to steal Nick from Brooke. Wagner and Tom wanted Nick and Katie to be paired. So if some white actors can get storyline approval, write storylines or dictate what's to happen to their character, why can't Rowell?
And like you mentioned, if Rowell wrote on the show and acted on it, then they could implement the rule to make Rowell write for others instead of her character. She wanted to bring her perspective for black characters. Y&R could simply put Drucilla in other storylines instead. And since you brought up conflict of interest, how is it not a conflict of interest for Byrne to act on ABC's GH and write for CBS's B&B?
Originally posted by Smileynate: I don't think that's a fair comparison- from all accounts Byrne is extremely well-loved by pretty much everyone she works with, and people enjoy her. From most accounts, Rowell was difficult and demanding to work with. I think that the two actresses would probably approach the opportunity to write very differently as well.
No one knows what goes on behind the set fully except the actors and crew. And even they have perceptions and biases of what goes on. If Rowell was so difficult and demanding to work with, what do you call all of Robin Strasser's diva behavior, Hunter Tylo's shenanigans and Jess Walton's contract delays and games? Or what do you call Michelle Stafford's crudeness? Y&R can't "tolerate" Rowell, but they can tolerate Stafford spitting on Rowell's face?
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Originally posted by bottomchef: How sad is it that B&B allowed an actress from ATWT to write for them, yet Y&R didn't even consider Victoria Rowell, one of their own, to write for their show. Y&R is a disgrace.
Byrne wasn't acting on B&B when she was writing for the show. Rowell wanted to act on Y&R and write for it at the same time. Conflict of interest much? She wanted to write for her own character, so I can see why TPTB would tell her hell no. In the 80's, when Bill Bell allowed Meg Bennett to join the Y&R writing team, he wouldn't allow her to write for her character or characters involved with her character. Rowell's ego-driven situation is a completely different circumstance.
If Rowell got the chance to write for her own character, then every other actor on the show would demand the same, and thus we have a major conflict of interest and more chaos.
I was referring to Y&R rehiring Rowell to be part of their writing team now, with or without her acting on the show. Maurice Bernard was interviewed on Oprah talking about his psychological disorder and how it was written in on GH. And other actors do that to a lesser degree on B&B. Tylo wanted Taylor to steal Nick from Brooke. Wagner and Tom wanted Nick and Katie to be paired. So if some white actors can get storyline approval, write storylines or dictate what's to happen to their character, why can't Rowell?
And like you mentioned, if Rowell wrote on the show and acted on it, then they could implement the rule to make Rowell write for others instead of her character. She wanted to bring her perspective for black characters. Y&R could simply put Drucilla in other storylines instead. And since you brought up conflict of interest, how is it not a conflict of interest for Byrne to act on ABC's GH and write for CBS's B&B?
Rowell suggested many storylines to TPTB at Y&R while she was there, and those actors you mentioned that suggested storyline never wrote those storylines, neither did Rowell with the storylines she suggested while at Y&R.
It's not a conflict of interest for Byrne because she's NOT under contract at either B&B or GH. She's on a trail run at B&B for scriptwriting, and she's recurring on GH. Scriptwriters only write dialogue, they don't have power to shape storylines or much insider info when it comes to storylines, and recurring status at GH means she only works when she wants to and when GH really needs her, without a contract.
Why would Y&R hire Rowell to do anything at the moment? It's obvious there's bad blood there. Rowell's reputation for being difficult is notorious within the industry. Why do you think she hasn't found steady acting work since leaving Y&R? Why do you think that talks with OLTL fell though? She's a great actress and Drucilla is dynamic character, but Rowell isn't the easiest person to get along with. After her mouthing off about the show in the press, I highly doubt they'd ever want her back there, and that's their right. Furthermore, Rowell wanted to write for the show while she was on it, not when she left. If they offer her the option to write for the show, while still acting on it, many other actors would want the same treatment. Why should Rowell be allowed to act and write on the same show and not others? It's a disastrous situation for a management point of view.
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Of course it's a conflict of interest for Byrne because she's WORKING for 2 competitors. Acting on GH and writing on B&B means she knows what's happening behind the scenes and creatively on both shows. And your definition of on contract is completely limited. She's working as a trial writer and is a recurring actress. There must be a contract or agreement, oral or written, for her to work on both shows at whatever capacity. If GH and B&B can allow this for Byrne, then Y&R shoulda been flexible to Rowell's requests.
Bernard dictated storyline, Tom and Wagner also. Tylo suggested Steffy be "killed" and Phoebe be killed off. Sure they must not have manually typed the scripts, but dictating ideas which are organic to the plot, is part of the writing process. Actors wanting to write is nothing new. Bennett, Goutman, Wheeler transitioned behind the scenes. So why was Rowell denied, when she's more competent to write being that she actually published her memoirs? Like I wrote, Rowell could have been assigned to write for other characters if TPTB didn't want her to write for Dru.
Rowell isn't the only one allegedly difficult. How many times has Robin Strasser mudslinged and whined about ABC, Jill Farren Phelps, who gets fired on OLTL, etc. on her line and in interviews? How many times has Strasser (threatened to) quit? Bell actors are worse. Walton recently held Y&R hostage with her negotiations ploys til they threatened to recast. Tylo did the same during Ridge's paternity. Tylo's ditched B&B for miniseries and Primetime while badmouthing it. Tylo revealed storyline conclusions on her board, so she was reprimanded, and they had to rewrite. Tylo's badmouthed Bell for killing Taylor on her board and Scott Novick's B&B board. Michael Logan reported she threw a fit when told her real life nemesis Kimberlin Brown would kill off Taylor. She made complaints about the firearm on the set (Sheila shot Taylor), and she (like Rowell) was not on any soap after being let go. And the most unforgivable, wretched actress has to be Michelle Stafford, for spitting on Rowell. Rowell should have sued her white butt. It's not a surprise given how trashy Stafford is in interviews. Y&R is clearly biased towards Rowell if they can tolerate all the antics of Stafford and Walton, while not letting Rowell write. Rowell would have written a lot better for her character and others than LML, who was the one that was really disastrous.
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Whatever conflict may have existed between Hunter Tylo and Brad Bell, it must not have been that bad because she's always been able to return to the show. Obviously, the same is not true for Y&R and Rowell, or she would have been back by now.
I don't think its fair to say that Rowell's attitude is why she hasn't ended up on another show. Its not like she hasn't been working. She wrote a book, went on a national book tour, an I believe she even did a film or two.
At this point, I doubt Rowell will ever return to Y&R in any capacity, and definitely not while Stafford and Bergman are still there.
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Bell must have laughed off Tylo's attitude and chalked it up to being insecure. Rowell had conflict with Bregman? I thought it was only with Expectorant Stafford. The plastic, angular, botoxed redheads are double teaming her! LOL! Rowell was in Home of the Brave with Samuel Jackson and the whining girlfriend of William Rast. Rowell was on Diagnosis Murder and was able to do double duty. And she was able to come back briefly to move story along. If Days was able to rehire Mascolo (after badmouthing Corday) and Reeves (after her controversial exit), then Y&R could rehire Rowell.
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Originally posted by bottomchef: Bell must have laughed off Tylo's attitude and chalked it up to being insecure. Rowell had conflict with Bregman? I thought it was only with Expectorant Stafford. The plastic, angular, botoxed redheads are double teaming her! LOL! Rowell was in Home of the Brave with Samuel Jackson and the whining girlfriend of William Rast. Rowell was on Diagnosis Murder and was able to do double duty. And she was able to come back briefly to move story along. If Days was able to rehire Mascolo (after badmouthing Corday) and Reeves (after her controversial exit), then Y&R could rehire Rowell.
Rowell has conflict with Stafford and Peter Bergman, not Tracey Bregman. Bergman gave an interview and said something about how Rowell isn't playing with a full deck, and then she had some retort for him in that DC interview, but I can't remember exaclty what she said.
I do have respect for Rowell because in the DC interview, she said that, even after the spitting incident with Stafford, Rowell asked TPTB not to stop the Dru/Phyllis scenes because she knew how much the fans enjoyed them. I give her alot of credit for that.
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I do have respect for Rowell because in the DC interview, she said that, even after the spitting incident with Stafford, Rowell asked TPTB not to stop the Dru/Phyllis scenes because she knew how much the fans enjoyed them. I give her alot of credit for that.
That shows a lot of class on Rowell's part. And it shows that if she was allowed to pen for Y&R, she would shelf her personal biases and write for what's best for the show. Stafford and Bergman are 2 bitches and probably the President and CEO of Rowell's witty, aptly titled "snub club". OLTL and RC are awful with diversity, so it's no surprise they let Rowell slip thru their fingers.
Originally posted by nbgemini: I didn't say she was a good producer! All I said was I admire JFP because she really doesn't interfere in writing — and then I added she should on this show. I was making a point.
My bad..i just re-read it..
There are too many up-tight gay people on this borad..They need to get laid.. holla at me and if your in my area maybe I can help you out..
Hey Nelson! I hate to change the subject (ahem), but great article on that woman I miss so much--Martha Byrne! I must point out that you wrote that Lily Snyder was the only daytime role she played. However, she also played Rose DiAngelo on ATWT. She was so good at differentiating the two characters that I would forget that it was NOT being done by two different actresses.
Originally posted by jw79bull: Nelson, why in the hell are you prasing Jill Farren in this article? That hack has ruin every show she has been apart of..
jw79bull, JFP is a hack! OLTL was one stunt after the next. Live Week, Grace's death in the flood, Nora's trainwreck, etc. JFP's rumored to have a group of actors she favors (Timothy Gibbs being one of them) that she brings to her soaps. And she was rumored to be intimate with the actor that played OLTL's Sam Rapaport, hence her influencing the writing and his front burner status.
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Originally posted by bottomchef: How sad is it that B&B allowed an actress from ATWT to write for them, yet Y&R didn't even consider Victoria Rowell, one of their own, to write for their show. Y&R is a disgrace.
Byrne wasn't acting on B&B when she was writing for the show. Rowell wanted to act on Y&R and write for it at the same time. Conflict of interest much? She wanted to write for her own character, so I can see why TPTB would tell her hell no. In the 80's, when Bill Bell allowed Meg Bennett to join the Y&R writing team, he wouldn't allow her to write for her character or characters involved with her character. Rowell's ego-driven situation is a completely different circumstance.
If Rowell got the chance to write for her own character, then every other actor on the show would demand the same, and thus we have a major conflict of interest and more chaos.
I was referring to Y&R rehiring Rowell to be part of their writing team now, with or without her acting on the show. Maurice Bernard was interviewed on Oprah talking about his psychological disorder and how it was written in on GH. And other actors do that to a lesser degree on B&B. Tylo wanted Taylor to steal Nick from Brooke. Wagner and Tom wanted Nick and Katie to be paired. So if some white actors can get storyline approval, write storylines or dictate what's to happen to their character, why can't Rowell?
And like you mentioned, if Rowell wrote on the show and acted on it, then they could implement the rule to make Rowell write for others instead of her character. She wanted to bring her perspective for black characters. Y&R could simply put Drucilla in other storylines instead. And since you brought up conflict of interest, how is it not a conflict of interest for Byrne to act on ABC's GH and write for CBS's B&B?
Couple of things:
-Y&R did listen to Rowell on storyline input- Rowell took complete and total credit for the foster-child storyline on that show. -We don't know all of what goes on behind the scenes and the degree of communication/non-communication backstage at each show. Rowell clearly has burned some bridges, and doesn't seem to be willing to or interested in rebuilding them- she only wants back on the show on her terms. -It is not conflict of interest for Byrne to write on "B&B" and act on "GH"...she is not on contract to either, and both shows know about the other up front. It is called freelancing, and it happens all the time in the rest of the professional world. Now, if she wrote for "B&B" and just popped up on "GH" unannounced, that would be a different story.
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