As much as I looked forward to "the confession," I gotta say I thought Noelle Beck was over the top and Jon Hensley phoned it in. I know I may be in the minority but I really walked away unsatisfied.
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I don't think ATWT is on the upswing. The writing is extremely weak and today was no exception. Was there really a need to destroy yet another female friendship and didn't we go through this with Carly and Mike? Why are all of Maura West's storylines reruns?
Beck was fine although they had her do that scream they have the ATWT during confrontations. Maura West did the same thing during one of Carly's fights with Jack. The main problem for me was Jon Hensley. He was awful. What a half a s s e d performance. There was nothing there.
P.S. It was hilarious when they had Saint Luke set up a charity for "sick kids." No real conversation about it; no discussion about the illness. It was an umbrella charity for sick kids. What B.S.
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I have to agree with both above-mentioned statements. Beck was totally disappointing to me in an episode that Byrne would have made into an Emmy reel. I was even more disappointed with Hensley's performance, especially after I cited him as my Emmy choice for 2007. There is no chemistry between Beck and Hensley and maybe that contributed to the scenes falling flat, still it is an actor's job to perform the scenes with any actress (it's the character Holden has history with not the actress.) I thought West was close to perfection, as usual, in her scenes, tho.
I do think ATWT is trying to rebound and I like a lot of what I'm watching, but yesterday just fell flat for me.
Allan, I have to disagree about West. She is turning in the same performance she gave in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007 when this same storyline unfolded--Carly betrays someone and then gets indignant when someone calls her out on her behavior. She's done nothing I haven't seen before even down to the ATWT staple scream. I don't remember what Park said exactly, but it was something along the lines of "It's happening again. My mother has messed up." Friday's episode was more of the same, but I believe that West and Hensley are (sub)consciously taking out their anger at Byrne's firing on Beck because there is absolutely no chemistry between the three actors which makes this storyline a dud. Beck has real chemistry with Hansis and Michael Park, and that should be developed. Beck and Hansis deserve more than inane dialogue about "sick children."
Today was the first time that Julie Pinson didn't get on my nerves. She has a quiet moment with Park's Jack that worked, but the character is being forced down our throats and they need to knock it off. They've already ruined Brad and Katie.
We'll have to agree to disagree on West. I can see what you're saying, but it's the writing and the character, IMHO. And West, I thought, nailed today's scenes.
I do agree with you re: Beck and Park, but I think TPTB are going to team her up with Mike and not Jack.
I totally agree with you about Pinson, tho. She has really gotten on my nerves, until today's episode, which I thought was her best one to date.
So a poisoned bracelet turns Allie into a raging beyotch, a poisoned necklace makes Meg see Sophie (YIKES, now that's a nightmare I wouldn't want to experiance!) now what is the poisoned watch going to do to Chris? And if there is anyone out there who hasn't figured out who is sending these gifts I'll give you a hint: His name rhymes with Dick Pecker!
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Originally posted by dwb: So a poisoned bracelet turns Allie into a raging beyotch, a poisoned necklace makes Meg see Sophie (YIKES, now that's a nightmare I wouldn't want to experiance!) now what is the poisoned watch going to do to Chris? And if there is anyone out there who hasn't figured out who is sending these gifts I'll give you a hint: His name rhymes with Dick Pecker!
Maybe it'll make Chris have a 3some with Luke and Noah?
Okay, Lindsay, are you forgetting that I was a professional twice over— an analyst and a therapist. The world’s first analrapist.
Today was the first day that I was impressed with Maura West. I did not feel like I was watching a rerun. That said, I have no interest in Brad the instant father or the tweens. I'm sick of Luke and Noah because Luke should dump Noah's a s s and go after someone hot who will sleep with him. If I were dating a man for months, and he gave me this sob story about waiting for our first time to be special after jumping into bed with his last girl, I'd knock him upside the head.
Originally posted by Crystal: Today was the first day that I was impressed with Maura West. I did not feel like I was watching a rerun. That said, I have no interest in Brad the instant father or the tweens. I'm sick of Luke and Noah because Luke should dump Noah's a s s and go after someone hot who will sleep with him. If I were dating a man for months, and he gave me this sob story about waiting for our first time to be special after jumping into bed with his last girl, I'd knock him upside the head.
What's really sad on this show, is that Liberty and Parker have gone farther with one another in like 2 months than Luke and Noah have in a year of dating. I did enjoy Luke's scenes with Holden/Carly at the lake, but I'm so over Noah, he just needs to disappear.
Okay, Lindsay, are you forgetting that I was a professional twice over— an analyst and a therapist. The world’s first analrapist.
It is so weird, they have totally rushed (& ruined) what should have a sweet teen love story & they make the lamest excuses for Luke & Noah. I mean do the writers not understand how young men think? Parker is attracted to somebody of the opposite sex & is a total virgin, so while he may desperately want to get laid, you could understand him being hesitant & he's what, 15? Luke & Noah who are college age & have had some experiance (granted Luke's was unrequited) & LIVE ON A FARM, IN THE COUNTRY, NEAR WOODED AREAS, would not be talking about how they want the first time to be "special". Do the writers really think young gay men even care about this?? How "girly" are Luke & Noah suppose to be? Have they given up pretend tea partys & dolls yet? Will Noah (who seems to be seen as the more masculine, i.e. less whiny, of the two) arrange to have a horse drawn carriage whisk them to a suite strewn with rose pedals, for their "special night". In real life those two young men would have been rutting out by that pond the first night they got there (many months ago). If the pond was ok for Meg & Dusty, Holden & Lily, Seth & Sabrina & a host of other heterosexuals, believe me, it would be just fine for Nuke. H e l l for many gay men, sex outside is a rite of passage! And what is more special than being in the great outdoors, humping the man you love with mosquitoes nipping at your bare butt! Enough!! Get these boys out to the pond, PRONTO!!
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Well, it's all because CG & JP are afraid to take Nuke to the next level because of the ratings. We don't have to have some graphic sex scene, tho, just something romantic. My idea would be for Noah to rent a cabin in the woods, fill it with candles and music, dim the lights and then they could kiss and we could imagine the rest.
Despite my disdain of the lack of romance for Nuke, I will say yesterday's episode was well written and well acted by all involved. And of course, we all know what is going to happen next for Liberty and Parker, and that will provide more strife for everyone involved, in other words classic soap opera.
I could care less about Parker's love life because his attitude is always sullen. Calling his mother a slut was out of line. Yeah, Carly is a screw-up but that scene with Parker rubbed me the wrong way.
Wasn't Noah really active in Branson? Maybe now he wants to move slower?
WILLIAM PETERSEN: Well, this is a shock. The only explanation for this is that somehow in the last year, every one of you tried to act with rubber gloves and tweezers.
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For 2 gay men, yes it has become unrealistic. It's not bad, but they need to learn how to write for them romantically/sexually. They have concered the "phobia" of the gay storyline - now they need to write it. Be it Luke/Noah or Luke/anybody else, it needs to come from a real place. I don't know that I have the confidence for that to happen with the ATWT writing team. They can write incredible dialouge, but the long term plotting of this story has been questionable at best.
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The lack of sex after a year is unrealistic not just for a gay couple, but for most straight couples too. And for a soap opera, where it's conventional to fall in love and get married within four months, it's unthinkable. The irony is that by avoiding it, ATWT had shined a big spotlight on it. Months ago, if they had done it subtly and just implied their sexual relationship, it might have been perfectly fine, but now they've made it into another elephant in the room they don't want to deal with. It's silly how tentative they are with these things. I think soap producers haven't looked at a calendar since 1985. The times they are a-changin'.
"A movie is not good because it arrives at conclusions you share, or bad because it does not. A movie is not about what it is about. It is about how it is about it: about the way it considers its subject matter, and about how its real subject may be quite different from the one it seems to provide." - Roger Ebert, from the introduction to "Awake in the Dark" (2006)
Originally posted by Allan: Well, it's all because CG & JP are afraid to take Nuke to the next level because of the ratings.
And yet they continue to shove Paul and Meg down our throats. How those 2 haven't killed the ratings is beyond me. Cole was annoying, but I was rooting for that bullet.
Okay, Lindsay, are you forgetting that I was a professional twice over— an analyst and a therapist. The world’s first analrapist.
And no Nuke on the clips for next week. I thought West was superb on Friday, tho, again, Hensley was disappointing in what could have been a sure-fire Emmy reel.
