Can Y&R survive without Victor Newman, especially with the disastrous state of the show and its blind writers? Is this really the time to lose such a popular character?
Then clearly it was not about money since EB would still be getting a whopping 7 digit salary. This was about treating someone with respect and dignity, which for EB you can't put a price on. He has the luxury to not return to Y&R so I guess he'll do that.
Clearly CBS, P&G and Sony want out of the soap opera business. P&G can kill World Turns now that it's last place. Sony is now dismantling Y&R by allowing all the awful writing and letting their and Daytime's number 1 star to leave. CBS will be happy being down to 1 soap (B&B) since it does inexplicably so well overseas.
EB should join OLTL and give Frons a reason to block its cancellation. EB acting alongside Robin Strasser would be great!
I am glad this thread was started as I will not be watching this show after EB's last airdate (I barely watch anymore because the show is HORRENDOUS) and I am anxiously awaiting. ahem. Nelson's upcoming columns regarding this overpraised mess. That being said, most other boards are totally AGAINST Eric, which surprises me, especially Daytime Confidential.. This guy is one of my favorite actors. Period. Daytime or nightime. I feel that he is correct that Sony is behaving as sleazy as they come. Very ABC-ish.. After reading other Y&R actor's comments (and the fact that Braeden and Rowell actually got along, and have said so) I feel that both Braeden and Rowell were probably Y&R's most "unpopular" actors backstage. I have also very rarely read anything nice about Melody (whom I also love) either. I feel that the actors are probably happy. Sadly. I think Rowell's return would be hilarious, and more likely now. I also expect a "primetime name" to be announced soon.
This show is over.
And OLTL will be cancelled in 9-12 months?
A joke.
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I very rarely post or even come into this forum, but I saw the story on EB and thought I would comment.
I have watched Y&R for over 10 years now. Braeden does a great job with Victor and he will definately be missed as an actor. However, one thing I have never gotten is the love that is felt for the character of Victor. I don't like him at all. His ego is out of control, he is controling and demanding, constantly hurts everyone around him and throws a fit anytime anyone calls him on it. The show for sure won't be the same without Victor, but the charcter is one that I never liked and frankly I would like to see Mr. Newman put in his place before he leaves the show. Am I missing something with this character? Or is that how he has always been written?
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It would be funny if the show reached a creative high with Victor gone. Everywhere I go people say Victor affects the majority of the canvas. Is that really a good thing? Now the characters can finally breathe, and stop revolving around that ego maniac. Kind of like when Zimmer left GL, and it flourished (for quite some time). If the show falls apart when Braeden exits, then it's definitely on the writers. I understand that Victor is a fan favourite and people enjoy him, but that doesn't mean the show should collapse without him with the talented cast they have.
Originally posted by MTSRocks: It would be funny if the show reached a creative high with Victor gone. Everywhere I go people say Victor affects the majority of the canvas. Is that really a good thing? Now the characters can finally breathe, and stop revolving around that ego maniac. Kind of like when Zimmer left GL, and it flourished (for quite some time). If the show falls apart when Braeden exits, then it's definitely on the writers. I understand that Victor is a fan favourite and people enjoy him, but that doesn't mean the show should collapse without him with the talented cast they have.
I completely agree!! Y&R can survive without Braeden. Look at what happened at DAYS with Hall and Hogestyn being fired last year. No one thought DAYS could survive losing both of them, fans bitched and complained and the ratings have only gone up and up since they left and the show is creatively very good without them right now.
Soaps CAN survive without their top stars...it sucks but it is the truth.
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I agree. I do not think Y&R will falter without Eric Breaden's Victor Newman. I think there is a lot of potential for growth. I will not, in any way, excuse CBS or Sony for how they handled the situation, but the show must go on. I think there is a lot of drama to tell with Victor off the canvas. Obviously, his effect on the other characters, which has connected many of them, can be fuel for future fodder.
And for the record, I LOVE THE YOUNG AND THE RESTLESS. To me, it's the best show on the air. I like OLTL and sometimes I like GH and ATWT and Days is certainly gotten better, but still lacks a lot of direction and sense of family.
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I suppose Y&R could go on if it completely transformed itself but fans do need characters they can feel passionate about. That means you need charismatic actors. B&B has KKL and SF, AMC has SL and DC, and so on. EB could really dominate a scene like no other. MTS is great but she was always best as a supporting player to EB. If Y&R had the guts to bring back Victoria Rowell and re-wrote the show to make Dru/Phyllis the new Victor/Jack, then MAYBE I could see Y&R still keeping the ardor of the fans. I love SC but Sharon/Phyllis is just not electric enough to replace Victor/Jack.
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Y&R simply does not have the high-caliber writers to handle such a transition.
Everything Maria Arena Bell, Hogan Sheffer, and Scott Hamner have done is purely for plot driven shock value that isn't even suspenseful. Y&R is a creative mess at the moment, and as long as these writers are still there, it will continue to be one after Braeden is gone, unless something is done and new writers are hired.
I think Y&R can survive without Victor and Eric Braeden - if they write strong storylines with strong characters.
The problem is the show is a big overcrowded mess - with lots of characters with little purpose and plot-driven storylines with little payoff.
I actually think Eric Braeden leaving could be a good thing for Y&R. It should certainly be a wake up call for MAB and company to really focus on retooling the show with what they got and really scrutinizing their cast and storylines - and making some smart decisions.
Y&R survived the exit of the Brooks and Fosters in the 80s in a gutsy move by Bill Bell. This is MAB's time to shine... or to fall. We shall see!
Originally posted by MTSRocks: It would be funny if the show reached a creative high with Victor gone. Everywhere I go people say Victor affects the majority of the canvas. Is that really a good thing? Now the characters can finally breathe, and stop revolving around that ego maniac. Kind of like when Zimmer left GL, and it flourished (for quite some time). If the show falls apart when Braeden exits, then it's definitely on the writers. I understand that Victor is a fan favourite and people enjoy him, but that doesn't mean the show should collapse without him with the talented cast they have.
But the same can be true RE B&B's Stephanie. All roads always led back to Steph. She had her rivalry with Brooke and the Logans, meddling in Ridge's love life with brooke, Caroline, Taylor, anything with FC, anything with a Forrester clan member, Sheila, etc. But the show didn't need to write Steph put for storylines to develop beyond Steph's grasp. Look at how downgraded Steph is now ever since she moved to Jackie M. Then again B&B is such a terrible show so maybe that's a bad example. my point is, I think you'd blame the writing of Y&r and GL if they can't make their chars and stories flourish without tying them all to 1 char (Victor or Reva).
Originally posted by ad-girl: I suppose Y&R could go on if it completely transformed itself but fans do need characters they can feel passionate about. That means you need charismatic actors. B&B has KKL and SF, AMC has SL and DC, and so on. EB could really dominate a scene like no other. MTS is great but she was always best as a supporting player to EB. If Y&R had the guts to bring back Victoria Rowell and re-wrote the show to make Dru/Phyllis the new Victor/Jack, then MAYBE I could see Y&R still keeping the ardor of the fans. I love SC but Sharon/Phyllis is just not electric enough to replace Victor/Jack.
brilliant suggestion to make dru/Phyliss the new Victor/Jack. And considering how both sets of actors do not get along, the hatred must translate well to the scenes. Hehe. If ever they need Rowell back, now'd be the time.
All of this is just sad. Wish Eric all of the best and I can see this either being something good for the show (ala GL after Kim left the first time) or something really bad.
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