As good as the show really is, I am absolutely furious that Sharon is going to lie about the paternity of her child. Doesn't that go against the grain of Sharon (do gooder)? Why lie to poor Jack? Why lie to Nick?

Why go through the entire "Cassie told us we'd have another daughter and we're naming her Faith" blubber, just to have Sharon completely smack a bunch of people in the face...all in the name of "what can I do to help the man I love?"

Ridiculous.

I agree, but then what does make sense on this show? Rauch and Sheffer were detrimental to the show. I'd much rather see Casiello and MAB writing the show and John Conboy brought back to produce.

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Right.

Look. I love The Young and the Restless. I'm always intrigued by where they are going, and more than anything, the pacing is just right for my liking. The acting is the best and the plots generally aren't boring on the hole (not to say they don't have their share of clunkers running at once), but overall, it's a good show.

However, the holes in some of these storylines is driving me crazy. The Cane-reveal, the entire judicial system, the baby that Ashley was carrying, the DNA tests, the motivational speaker Kevin, Patti, etc. It's almost like they're missing the details to these storylines.

And I'd like to publicly say that while I do see potential in Clementine Ford, she does look a bit haggard and old compared to her costars. I'd also like to comment that I hate the character of Mackenzie. She is the show's second borest bore ever next to Christine Williams.

But I digress. Details people. Details.

I have to agree with you guys. The details of quite a few of the stories are now being ignored, and it kind of drives me crazy when that happens. I know we're going for certain exciting things to happen or getting a certain effect, but the way you get there should make sense. And what's most frustrating is that it could, but it doesn't. Almost all of the stories could be written as the same story and just written better. But yes, I am still loving the show.

The Sharon thing though is a big problem for me. I understood when she lied and told Nick she hadn't looked at the paternity test results yet. I would have understood if she didn't tell anyone what the results were because she wanted to give Nick the time he needed to be there for Summer and Phyllis the way he feels he wasn't there for her and Cassie. But lying to Jack that he's the baby's father is just cruel and stupid. This is of course going to hurt Nick right now, and he hurtful to both Jack and Nick later. I like Sharon, but I was just appalled by this.

I was holding out hope for a while, but I think the only time Clementine Ford's Mac really works is when she's opposite Chloe. Unfortunately, I don't at all like seeing her with Billy.

I knew this storyline was going to be stupid as soon as Nelson reported it last week. Watching it play out was even worse. The way Sharon did logical backflips to reach her decision to lie -- "Summer is hurt! It must be bad karma for me being back together with Nick!" -- was ludicrous. If these characters were annoying to me before, they're dead to me now.

The problem with Clementine Ford is that she looks bored to be there. Her scenes with Billy Miller are totally flat and she can't keep up with Elizabeth Hendrickson.

I agree that Mac is a boring character to begin with no matter who has been playing her, but Ford just magnifies that. I've never seen her in anything else, so I can't say whether or not she's a good actress overall, but in this role she is not cutting it and I think she knows it.

As far as the Sharon thing, didn't she and Nick already decide that they were going to be together regardless of who fathered the baby? So, what is Sharon hoping to gain by lying now? I like Sharon Case, but Sharon Newman is a twit.

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Yeah I am kind of in agreeance to an extent. It's stupid to do this when Nick and Sharon just got back together, but after today I don't see it as plot driven as I thought it would be. When Sharon said that she doesn't want Nick to let Phyllis down like he let her down when Cassie died, I bought that.

The thing I am going to start taking Y&R to task on are the Amber/Daniel/Kevin/Jana/and possibly Deacon story and the underdevelopment of the Winters.
I have beeen looking at the posts over at DC when it comes to Y&R and some of the criticism of the show are warrented and some of it is just to complain to complain.

If Sharon wanted Nick to be there for Summer to make up for his mistakes at the end of Cassie's life, she could do any number of classy things. She could stay out of his way, allow him to spend all his time with Phyllis and let him know she'll be there to support him. You don't give a guy a second chance to be a good father by lying to him about his new baby. And to jerk around Jack on top of that -- it doesn't make any sense. Her reasoning is preposterous.

And now it's even worse. We've got Mary Jane convincing Genoa City's resident twit Heather that Phyllis poisoned Summer to get attention from Nick. That chick really is useless. She has never crusaded against anyone who was actually guilty, and the one person who is guilty as sin she's sleeping with. That idiot makes Lily look like a good judge of character.

Ever since Clementine Ford took over the role of Mac there has been some serious complaints from people on this forum concerning her performance. For the most part I agree, but I would like to throw something in the mix that hasn't been mentioned before. In the past, in films and television the gay community has been very vocal concerning straight actors portraying gay characters. Some performances were good and others well, not so good. Does anyone think that Ms. Ford, who is an openly gay woman, is just not convincing as a straight female in this role? I have seen some of her work in the past when she was younger, and most recently on the L Word where she seemed quite comfortable in the role. Ever since she came out to the public she has changed her look. No more blond/ingenue for her. She is age inappropriate for Mac, and does look haggard and out of place. Billy and Chloe can act circles up, over and around her. She had done quite a lot of making out scenes with Billy and looks like she wants to boot after they are done! She obviously is not comfortable with this role. Mac didn't have much to do in the past but she has been given a major storyline to shine. Ms Ford is not carrying her weight.

Memo to Y&R: The Chloe/Billy/Mac is actually a good storyline. Time to RECAST MAC ASAP if you want this to work.

I'm not as quick to rush to judgment about Clementine Ford. She hasn't been very compelling in the role, but I don't think she's awful either, and I'm not sure how good this storyline is, with or without her. But either way, I wouldn't jump to say being a lesbian has negatively effected her performances. Plenty of gay actors have convincingly played straight characters, and vice versa. For that matter, daytime is littered with a lot of straight actors playing straight characters who have no chemistry whatsoever. Her orientation is probably immaterial. It might just be a case of the wrong actor in the wrong role.

Some people have had it in for Clementine Ford from her first day. I think she's fine in the role. She has chemistry with Raul and she spars well with Chloe. The problem I see is that the writing is just not there, and there's nothing more painful than a forced couple. Lately, I've liked some of Mac's scenes with Billy, but I still don't know why I should root for Billy and Mac when she has much more chemistry with Raul.

Miller hasn't been entirely convincing in his portrayal of being in love with Mac. Or any of the women on the show for that matter.

Yes, I also thought Ford's Mac had a lot more chemistry with Raul. I do think the writing is certainly part of the problem with Mac. Whenever Mac is opposite Billy, it's like she has to be pretending to be detached and disinterested, which really makes the scenes unpleasant to watch. But even so, I just don't think her version of Mac and Billy work together as a couple. The Billy/Chloe/Mac story hasn't been one of my favorites for the most part, and I think the only really interesting part of it is Chloe.

Sharon thinks she is being sooooo self-sacrificing by lying to Nick about the paternity test results. However, she gives no thought to Jack or his feelings. She's not sacraficing, she's Jacrificing.

There is something about Clementine that I really like. I think if she were written a bit more realistic instead of wimpy and mousey, then she may have a chance to shine.

But can someone please tell me what happened to the actual fetus that Ashley miscarried? Dr. Taylor said there was no baby inside her belly. So that means she miscarried vaginally, which would mean a fetus is out there somewhere and remember what Adam did to the towel with the blood? See...details being ignored can be icky.

I'm taking bets now to see how they are going to explain why Katherine was having "memories" of giving Jill's baby away at the same time Cane showed up in town. Unless Katherine was involved, this will make no sense. I applaud the excitement and storyline potential here, but I'm sick and tired of the holes in these storylines.

And why didn't the lab who did Cane and Jill's most recent DNA test notice that the label on the vile was not the same? I'm just glad someone realized the blood had been frozen. At last, someone with smarts wrote that episode.

I was sort of irritated when Cane switched the blood vials and the one he had just happened to look almost identical to the one they took his blood in. But that's the kind of exception I'm willing to make for a soap opera (or really most TV shows).

Nina was already implying to Katherine that her mind invented those memories of switching the babies, I believe she said because of a combination of guilt over what happened to Phillip and the power of suggestion. Something like that. I'm excited to see what happens next.

Oh don't get me wrong...I'm excited to see what's going to happen next, and I have to give them props for addressing several of my issues in this past week. I'm not happy that Katherine's memories happened to coincide with Cane's arrival in town, but I'll buy it because they atleast tried to explain it. I'm also grateful that the DNA test over Chloe was addressed too.

Kristel Kahlil was pretty good during her confrontation scenes, but really Tricia Cast's "bunch of crap" scene was the best all week just narrowly ahead of Phyllis slapping Heather, who should have a serious bruise and possibly some swelling going on.

Tricia Cast is on fire. She's elevating some poorly written material. I love Jess Walton & Jeanie Cooper, but TC's been quite the scene stealer.

I just love Tricia Cast/Nina. And I was thrilled when Phyllis slapped Heather. Isn't it some kind of prosecutorial misconduct or something for her to be taking such a hard line in accusing Phyllis of hurting Summer, telling her to confess, etc? I don't know. It all just seems so wrong to me. Mary Jane's motives for falsely accusing Phyllis are as transparent as Phyllis's would-be motives for giving Summer peanuts.