Do members list 5 or 10 nominees? Do they keep the weighted ballot?
I do see this as a Dark Knight, WALL-E reaction
We may not see eye-to-eye on some things but I wholeheartedly believe this is to counter the criticism for the exclusion of WALL-E and The Dark Knight (and the inclusion of The Reader) in last year's nominees. I think there were better solutions such as overhauling the nominating process by scrapping the weighted system. Maybe those changes are still forthcoming.
I'm willing to give this change the benefit of a doubt, especially if it shines the spotlight on overlooked films or films that the snobbish Academy typically rejects. If it creates more interest with casual movie fans and if the nominees are actually credible, then this change will be a good one.
Up should now be considered a front-runner for a nomination now. Depending on the competition, it certainly stands a better chance at winning against 9 other nominees than it would have against 4 other nominees.
FYC: "Up" for Best Picture and Kathryn Bigelow for Best Director
And what is has done is elevate the GGs to being more important - all of a sudden, a comedy/musical nomination is more crucial than before.
And other groups of course may start reacting.
I can easily see this changing back after one year.
More than anything else, the thing that sets the Academy apart from other awards groups is a combination of their tradition - an award in 2008 means about the same as it did in 1950 - as well as the fewer nominees and winners. This cheapens that reputation, as well as the value of a best picture nomination,
And again - this come from the lack of major audience interest in three of the five nominees last year, and silly lack of recognition of Dark Knight and WALL-E. That's what caused this.
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it's so easy to predict what will happen here...I can't imagine the Academy would do this to make people happy...
-Garbage will be nominated and people will fight.... -The Academy will STILL find a way to NOT nominated worthy films and people will fight....
the only upside is that certain smaller films *might* have an easier time getting in...
I can't believe the Academy would do this, they must have imagined all the crap that could've been nominated in the past with this rule to convince themselves it was a bad idea....Dreamgirls anyone?
And this coming from the people who thought Best Casting was a bad idea...
Do members list 5 or 10 nominees? Do they keep the weighted ballot?
I do see this as a Dark Knight, WALL-E reaction
We may not see eye-to-eye on some things but I wholeheartedly believe this is to counter the criticism for the exclusion of WALL-E and The Dark Knight (and the inclusion of The Reader) in last year's nominees. I think there were better solutions such as overhauling the nominating process by scrapping the weighted system. Maybe those changes are still forthcoming.
I'm willing to give this change the benefit of a doubt, especially if it shines the spotlight on overlooked films or films that the snobbish Academy typically rejects. If it creates more interest with casual movie fans and if the nominees are actually credible, then this change will be a good one.
Up should now be considered a front-runner for a nomination now. Depending on the competition, it certainly stands a better chance at winning against 9 other nominees than it would have against 4 other nominees.
With ten nominees I have almost no doubt "Up" would be amongst them, it may end up being the most acclaimed American film of the year, but as long as there is still an animated category for it to win I do not think it would take top prize.
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On the bright side, perhaps this can start to chip away at the idea of what is a "Oscar" movie. If a wider range of types of movies start getting nominated for Best Picture, perhaps the nominees for other categories become more diverse as well.
It wouldn't happen overnight, but if over the long haul it led to a wider variety of high quality movies being recognized, that would be a positive.
This also likely will, in close years, make a difference on what wins.
This will be determined by what the variety of nominees are. But let's say 8 of the nominees are quality/high end adult oriented films, none has been a breakthrough hit; one is animated (there will likely always be one); and something like The Dark Knight.
Guess what? Unless one of the high-end more limited film is the "go to" film, then Dark Knight wins.
I'll give it a fair shot. If it opens the door for nominees that wouldn't have had a shot otherwise, then good for them. They may not win, but at least more attention can be given to films that don't normally receive it. It still irks that films like "The Dark Knight", "WALL-E", "Waltz With Bashir", and "Rachel Getting Married" were snubbed in BP for fare like "The Reader," and in the end, if there isn't a decent mix of public and critical favor for what's nominated, then it doesn't leave the Academy with much to work with. This could be an exciting change if voters don't completely blow it.
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The films still get added exposure, and that's a positive change. I said that those films probably wouldn't win once the more traditional favorites emerge, and the ones with the corresponding directing nominations would have the leg up. But I won't bemoan the change when there's potential for good there.
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Originally posted by seanflynn: Atypical I don't disagree in part. But again, if director stays at 5, then more than ever, those films are going to be considered the real 5 nominees.
In the 10 years they had 10 nominees before, the best picture winner always had its director nominated, irrespective of 3-5 directors nominated.
This is probably going to be true but lots of great films are considered possible BP nominees when the directors are almost never mentioned as being probably nominees. Finding Nemo, Shrek, Wall E - basically all the animated films.
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Originally posted by Atypical: The films still get added exposure, and that's a positive change. I said that those films probably wouldn't win once the more traditional favorites emerge, and the ones with the corresponding directing nominations would have the leg up. But I won't bemoan the change when there's potential for good there.
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Originally posted by Atypical: The films still get added exposure, and that's a positive change. I said that those films probably wouldn't win once the more traditional favorites emerge, and the ones with the corresponding directing nominations would have the leg up. But I won't bemoan the change when there's potential for good there.
Company man. LOL.
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Bring on the "The Proposal" and "Star Trek" best picture chatter! The Proposal thread will become even more contentious than it was before.
Hopefully they use this change to nominated some high-quality animations or foreigns, but perhaps that's too much to ask
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I am not sure what to think of it. My first reaction wasn't a good one but frankly, I think if they can manage to nominate quality movies then I can't really complain. However, I feel like they will still nominate some films that aren't deserving and that the award will be somewhat diminished (which has already been said).
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Originally posted by puxzkkx: This could be awesome or fail terribly.
Bring on the "The Proposal" and "Star Trek" best picture chatter! The Proposal thread will become even more contentious than it was before.
Hopefully they use this change to nominated some high-quality animations or foreigns, but perhaps that's too much to ask
I could see "Star Trek" POSSIBLY being a nominee with ten slots but no way for "The Proposal". They can find ten acclaimed nominees without having to dig up mediocre comedies like "The Proposal". With ten nominees maybe they will find space for acclaimed comedies, maybe "(500) Days of Summer" or "An Education", or other genres which are often ignored despite good reviews. They will not need to fill slots with silly summer flicks.
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