Maybe now any movie who would fill this years director nomination without a BP nomination will get a nomination for BP.
WILLIAM PETERSEN: Well, this is a shock. The only explanation for this is that somehow in the last year, every one of you tried to act with rubber gloves and tweezers.
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LIke you all, I'm still trying to wrap my head around this. Ten?
I reckon this will open the nomination field to wonderful independent films that have been so overlooked by the Academy, but yet don't qualify for other film categories besides acting/screenplay, etc.
I'm cautiously excited about the 2010 telecast now.
Originally posted by pacinofan: I could see "Star Trek" POSSIBLY being a nominee with ten slots but no way for "The Proposal". They can find ten acclaimed nominees without having to dig up mediocre comedies like "The Proposal". With ten nominees maybe they will find space for acclaimed comedies, maybe "(500) Days of Summer" or "An Education", or other genres which are often ignored despite good reviews. They will not need to fill slots with silly summer flicks.
After Up, the most likely mass appeal film to benefit from this change will be Star Trek due to the superb reviews, its solid technical achievements and likely nominations, Abrams growing clout and Paramount's backing. James Cameron's Avatar could also benefit from this change.
A comedy film also seems likely to receive a nomination. The Hangover or maybe Bruno would seem to be the obvious choice but some end of year film will likely reap that nom. The Proposal won't and shouldn't be nominated.
FYC: "Up" for Best Picture and Kathryn Bigelow for Best Director
Originally posted by pacinofan: I could see "Star Trek" POSSIBLY being a nominee with ten slots but no way for "The Proposal". They can find ten acclaimed nominees without having to dig up mediocre comedies like "The Proposal". With ten nominees maybe they will find space for acclaimed comedies, maybe "(500) Days of Summer" or "An Education", or other genres which are often ignored despite good reviews. They will not need to fill slots with silly summer flicks.
After Up, the most likely mass appeal film to benefit from this change will be Star Trek due to the superb reviews, its solid technical achievements and likely nominations, Abrams growing clout and Paramount's backing. James Cameron's Avatar could also benefit from this change.
A comedy film also seems likely to receive a nomination. The Hangover or maybe Bruno would seem to be the obvious choice but some end of year film will likely reap that nom. The Proposal won't and shouldn't be nominated.
I'll agree that after "Up" then "Star Trek" is most likely mass appeal film to make the cut but I still think the ten slots will mostly be filled with the usual prestige flicks.
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We (or most of us anyway) assume that Dark Knight and WALL-E would have gotten in last year.
But what if it only adds more lesser seen films?
If they keep the weighted voting, that could be the result.
We don't know - I wonder if the Board of Governors asked PW for the nomination results (it would be good information to have, even if it changes the protocal).
But Dark Knight was an exception anyway - most years the biggest blockbuster didn't also get among the best reviews.
Yes, the top animated film more likely gets in - but there still may be the reluctance, particularly if the voters still only select 5 films.
So it might not broaden the appeal of the nominees.
I will be interested to see how the voting system works now; this will likely determine what type films will take those five extra slots. If each voter now votes for ten films, then I feel like lesser-Academy-esque films are likely to just fill up the slots. In 2007, we would have had American Gangster, Into the Wild, The Kite Runner, etc. taking the slots.
However, if preferential systems are still followed to some degree, we woud likely end up with smaller films (foreign, animated, cult following) that could sneak in for a Best Picture nominee. In 07, we could have had The Lives of Others, 4 Months 3 Weeks, or Zodiac on the list. This possibility excites me more, though I am sure the Academy will find a way to ensure the slots almost all go to big-studio fare.
Would this new system simply put in more "safe" films as Best Picture nominees such as Collateral, Cinderella Man, American Gangster, Revolutionary Road, and The Last Samurai?
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Public Enemies also would seem to benefit from this change given its pedigree. The Hollywood Reporter was lukewarm in its review but Rolling Stone raved about it.
FYC: "Up" for Best Picture and Kathryn Bigelow for Best Director
Originally posted by nobody: I will be interested to see how the voting system works now; this will likely determine what type films will take those five extra slots. If each voter now votes for ten films, then I feel like lesser-Academy-esque films are likely to just fill up the slots. In 2007, we would have had American Gangster, Into the Wild, The Kite Runner, etc. taking the slots.
However, if preferential systems are still followed to some degree, we woud likely end up with smaller films (foreign, animated, cult following) that could sneak in for a Best Picture nominee. In 07, we could have had The Lives of Others, 4 Months 3 Weeks, or Zodiac on the list. This possibility excites me more, though I am sure the Academy will find a way to ensure the slots almost all go to big-studio fare.
Would this new system simply put in more "safe" films as Best Picture nominees such as Collateral, Cinderella Man, American Gangster, Revolutionary Road, and The Last Samurai?
I think it will mostly put in safe films from the second tier of serious nominees and this year would profit movies like "The Informant" (dir: Steven Soderbergh), "Green Zone" (dir: Paul Greengrass), The Last Station (bio of Leo Tolstoy, dir: Michael Hoffman), etc. I do not think popular films like "The Hangover" and "Star Trek" are the most likely to profit from a change.
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This also could be counterproductive because it will increase the pressure to campaign for small films - which has already in past years managed to end up losing money for the companies, and then some of them going out of business.
The increased spending might then manage to get some of these film more attention, and get them more nominations in other categories - which if they deserve it, fine, but it could also manage to bring about the opposite of what the Academy wants - in other words, it might make the other categories more, not less, small-film.
Once again, this seems knee-jerk and not at all well though out - that a few of the studios (led by Warners and Disney) were really making noise. And remember, Disney owns ABC, which pays for most of the Academy's budget.
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Guys, every year people and movies get left behind. And the Oscars always get it wrong. My depression usually comes on nomination day when movies get left out. By the time the show comes around I usually don't care anymore. I like snotty movies and big blockbusters and every year I get seriously disappointed. This allows more movies to get to the big dance. I can't believe people who like movies would have a problem with that.
I'll bet you all a shiny nickel that you had a personal favorite that didn't make it to a Best Picture nomination. You probably gave up long before the nominations even came out because of the previous awards shows and buzz. Now you don't have to. We can all have a horse in the race. How is that bad? Don't you want to be happy?
I'll list some of last year's movies that people would have wanted on the list that weren't stupid movies for the masses. I bet you love at least one:
Burn After Reading Changeling Frozen River Gran Torino In Bruges Let the Right One In Synecdoche, NY The Dark Knight The Duchess The Wrester Vicki Cristina Barcelona Wall-E
That's more than 10. And I didn't even put the ones I still haven't seen yet. Come on, guys. This is awesome.
Originally posted by Aura: Guys, every year people and movies get left behind. And the Oscars always get it wrong. My depression usually comes on nomination day when movies get left out. By the time the show comes around I usually don't care anymore. I like snotty movies and big blockbusters and every year I get seriously disappointed. This allows more movies to get to the big dance. I can't believe people who like movies would have a problem with that.
I'll bet you all a shiny nickel that you had a personal favorite that didn't make it to a Best Picture nomination. You probably gave up long before the nominations even came out because of the previous awards shows and buzz. Now you don't have to. We can all have a horse in the race. How is that bad? Don't you want to be happy?
I'll list some of last year's movies that people would have wanted on the list that weren't stupid movies for the masses. I bet you love at least one:
Burn After Reading Changeling Frozen River Gran Torino In Bruges Let the Right One In Synecdoche, NY The Dark Knight The Duchess The Wrester Vicki Cristina Barcelona Wall-E
That's more than 10. And I didn't even put the ones I still haven't seen yet. Come on, guys. This is awesome.
You can love movies and still see no reason that every movie you love has to be given the stamp of approval by the Oscars.
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Well I'm surprised at this decision and will not be too cynical but embrace this. C'mon, there's going to be 10 nominees now! "Real" best picture contenders? I don't agree with that, I find it good more films could be recognized.
The announcement of the final category will be very weird. The presenter will have to read ten titles and up to thirty producers' names.
Will anyone remember all the Best Picture nominees after a year or even six months?
Also, I have to say that I am actually dreading the upcoming Oscar season. The fans of internet-friendly movies like "Star Trek" and "Twilight" will be out in full force. I hope they don't disparage the other films that are in contention because that was a little hard to witness this year.
I'll bet you all a shiny nickel that you had a personal favorite that didn't make it to a Best Picture nomination. You probably gave up long before the nominations even came out because of the previous awards shows and buzz. Now you don't have to. We can all have a horse in the race. How is that bad? Don't you want to be happy?
Under these circumstances, it won't make me happy. It'll make me very indifferent.
