For me, "Capote" was by far and away the best Best Picuture nominee of that year with "Munich" trailing and the other three flicks way behind those two.
The fact that "Ray" nabbed a Picture nod just the year before- and the academy got a lot of flack for that- killed "Walk the Line". I think it would have (unfortunately) kicked out "Capote" if it weren't for all the "Ray" comparisons.
Rourke is still getting the nod. The voters are only political when it comes to certain things, and a gay slur is not going to hamper his nomination. If the media pushes it, it may kill his chances of a win. But right now, until further reviews of other movies, he's in the number one slot.
Originally posted by Dr. McPhearson: I guess everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Munich was not perfect, but technically it was sound. The scene with the exploding bed-bomb (if you haven't seen it, that probably just sounded really weird) was intensely set up.
Mostly when I said it was the Best Picture, I meant out of the five nominees. Brokeback to me was beautifully shot, but after seeing it, I was not nearly as touched as I thought I would be. In fact, I think maybe the huge hype behind it might have made some people's expectations too high. That DOES happen from time to time.
However, I do remember many people were predicting Capote which, while centered around a gay man, did not revolve around an actual love story. One article even claimed that the Academy would got with Hoffman's performance AND film, to acknowledge the homosexual factor slightly. Personally, while well made, I wasn't Capote's biggest fan.
If you want to know the truth, I still am surprised Walk the Line was passed over, what with the Academy's recent love for biopics.
Though well acted by Reese Witherspoon and Joaquin Phoenix "Walk the Line" was so obvious in its structure and filled with such corny, phony dialogue that I am glad it got skipped over for the big nominations.
I will agree with you... sort of. I felt that the actress who played Cash's first wife (I'm too lazy to look up her name) over-acted really badly. She should've played for sympathy, but instead, just went with that whole vibrate-and-shake-when-I-cry-or-yell-bit. Personally, though, I loved the scene in studio, when the producer ask Cash that if he could sing one song before he died, would he sing the same mediocre crap his band's been pushing, or would he sing something closer to the heart?
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Originally posted by pacinofan: I think he'll definitely be a nominee this year, expect him to dominate the critics' awards with Michael Fassbender in "Hunger", but never thought he had the best chance of winning due to his spotty career and even spottier personal life. This will just be the nail in the coffin.
i expect mickey rourke to be nominated...but he never stood a chance of winning..his performance resembles his personal life too much..he was never liked by the academy...giving him recognition now just ressurects his career if he chooses to do things carefully this time..he has ****ed off producers, directors and some actors...the actors branch will pat him on the back...but NO OSCAR for mickey..the race is between sean penn, leo dicaprio and brad pitt...
Even if "Frost/Nixon" film is good rather than great I expect theatre titan Frank Langella to take best actor. Even Sean Penn seemed a more likely winner than Mickey Rourke and that was pre-gaffe.
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Walk the Line was no Coal Miner's Daughter. That movie had a flow and a story structure that WTL sorely lacked. If June and Johnny's son had stayed out of the production end of it, the filmmakers might could have told a better story, not to mention a more honest portrayal of Johnny Cash. If they had told more of the truths about JC, Joaquin would have won hands down.
Back to the topic. It's so early in the Oscar season that I don't think MR's comments will be remembered. i think as soon as you exit this thread you forget it. MR is going to get a nomination. There's no doubt about that. But that's all he'll get. A nomination. Probably the NYFCC and/or NSFC Best Actor award, but that will be about it.
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Guys please don't turn this thread into another Brokeback should have won thread...I agree it should have too but I am tired of seeing the same old thread.
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Originally posted by Agrado: Back to the topic. It's so early in the Oscar season that I don't think MR's comments will be remembered. i think as soon as you exit this thread you forget it.
Forget what?
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Originally posted by Dr. McPhearson: I will agree with you... sort of. I felt that the actress who played Cash's first wife (I'm too lazy to look up her name) over-acted really badly. She should've played for sympathy, but instead, just went with that whole vibrate-and-shake-when-I-cry-or-yell-bit. Personally, though, I loved the scene in studio, when the producer ask Cash that if he could sing one song before he died, would he sing the same mediocre crap his band's been pushing, or would he sing something closer to the heart?
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I think he'll definitely be a nominee this year, expect him to dominate the critics' awards with Michael Fassbender in "Hunger", but never thought he had the best chance of winning due to his spotty career and even spottier personal life. This will just be the nail in the coffin.
Yes, I expected him to be nominated. I never saw him ever winning though. He was always the dark horse to me because I thought he'd probably have the critics on his side as well as the great comeback story, but Sean Penn and Clint Eastwood being the real frontrunners for the award. So I thought the nomination would have to be enough, but now I don't even see him being the dark horse anymore because it seems like he's not going to play the Oscar game by campaigning as much as possible, but also more importantly for him, showing that he's no longer the bad boy that was always getting into trouble.
I don't think that this will hamper the likely Oscar nomination for Mickey Rourke. He has the "comeback of the year" label attached to him already, and that will carry him far into the Oscar season. I didn't think that he'd go all the way to the win (I think that Frank Langella is in the driver's seat there), and I was waiting for Mickey Rourke to start acting like Mickey Rourke and begin to blow his awards prospects. He'll get his reward with the nomination, but saying slurs like this could hurt him with other groups (like the critics) that might have actually given him a couple of wins for playing nice. If he doesn't get a lot of attention for this and cleans up his act for the rest of the season, he could make a run for this and make things competitive.
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E! Online – Mickey Rourke Apologizes for Antigay Slur Los Angeles (E! Online) – Mickey Rourke's foul mouth has gotten him in trouble again.
The actor spewed an antigay slur last night when a paparazzo asked him about gossip reports linking him to Evan Rachel Wood.
"She's a good friend, that's it," Rourke said, while walking into L.A.'s Hyde nightclub. "Tell that f----t who wrote all that **** in the paper I'd like to break his f--king legs."
A video of the incident quickly went viral today as soon as it was posted at Hollywood.tv.
But now, in an exclusive statement to me, Rourke says he regrets what he said. "I want to sincerely apologize for the derogatory word I used," he says in the statement. "It was insensitive and inappropriate of me and I am deeply sorry that I may have offended anyone."
Wood has also denied the rumors, but did so in a much more civilized manner.
"Everybody thinks we're dating and we're not," Wood told People magazine yesterday. "Mickey and I bonded while shooting The Wrestler and we became friends, but nothing more."
Rourke found himself in similar trouble back in 2006 when he used the F-word to describe a drunken fan who he almost got into a fight with.
"Look, I'm not afraid to say the word f-g," he said in an interview with New York's Time Out magazine. "I've got plenty of gay friends. We toss the word around."
Looks like Mickey's PR people or the studio got on his back about that tape.
I wish Mickey well and I want to see The Wrestler, but he seriously needs to chill out and play Pollyanna for the next few months... he could go all the way and win if he plays his cards right.
Originally posted by doul15: "Look, I'm not afraid to say the word f-g," he said in an interview with New York's Time Out magazine. "I've got plenty of gay friends. We toss the word around."
You think that f*ggot Mickey Rourke would know by now when to shut his big c*cksucking mouth, LOL.
Not convinced by the "some of my best friends are gay" defense? Me neither...
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This frucass reminds me of one of the most terrifying nights of my life. It was the NA premiere of the wrestler at the beautifully baroque and classy Elgin Theatre in downtown Toronto. At a most auguste affair, the likes of Rourke, a haute Evan Rachel Wood celebrating her 21st bday pulling along Marilyn Manson and several steroided wrestlers all dragged into the theatre looking like a Diane Arbus photo come to life. And to think I used to find family gatherings of the Charles kin Appalanchinish!
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He didn't even use the "F" word that negatively. Seriously, people need to get over little stuff like that. I don't think this will affect OR should affect his Oscar chances. It would be a shame if something so little affects someone getting nominated. Even the way he said it didn't seem offensive, so why make a big deal about it? People need to stop being overly sensitive.
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Dear, what sort of company do you keep where throwing out the likes of the "F" and I daresay the "N" words is acceptable? Sounds like you might be cavorting with some quite ruff and tuff types, perhaps the gangsters & drug dealers!
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Originally posted by HollywoodStar: He didn't even use the "F" word that negatively. Seriously, people need to get over little stuff like that. I don't think this will affect OR should affect his Oscar chances. It would be a shame if something so little affects someone getting nominated. Even the way he said it didn't seem offensive, so why make a big deal about it? People need to stop being overly sensitive.
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Nice try, but "f@ggot" is not a term of endearment.
Originally posted by HollywoodStar: He didn't even use the "F" word that negatively. Seriously, people need to get over little stuff like that. I don't think this will affect OR should affect his Oscar chances. It would be a shame if something so little affects someone getting nominated. Even the way he said it didn't seem offensive, so why make a big deal about it? People need to stop being overly sensitive.
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Nice try, but "f@ggot" is not a term of endearment.
Even among us f@ggots. Right, f@ggot?
I'm not saying its okay to throw around "f@ggot", but I just don't think he deserves to lose his Oscar chances for saying it, nor do I think the Academy will ignore him for saying that word. Obviously he shouldn't have said it, but he said it. Obviously he used the word the way he used it, but I don't think he was trying to offend gay people. You don't have to attack me for it. I DO NOT throw around the word, btw.
Originally posted by ETHELCHARLES: Dear, what sort of company do you keep where throwing out the likes of the "F" and I daresay the "N" words is acceptable? Sounds like you might be cavorting with some quite ruff and tuff types, perhaps the gangsters & drug dealers!
Not sure this is directed towards me, but again, I'm sorry to offend some of you. Obviously people took what I said to a whole other level. I never said its okay to throw around the word, I just don't think MR should be crucified for it. He should've watched what he was saying, knowing it would offend some of you (including A. DeWitt), who pretty much attacked me. lol
Originally posted by HollywoodStar: He didn't even use the "F" word that negatively. Seriously, people need to get over little stuff like that. I don't think this will affect OR should affect his Oscar chances. It would be a shame if something so little affects someone getting nominated. Even the way he said it didn't seem offensive, so why make a big deal about it? People need to stop being overly sensitive.
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Nice try, but "f@ggot" is not a term of endearment.
Even among us f@ggots. Right, f@ggot?
I'm not saying its okay to throw around "f@ggot", but I just don't think he deserves to lose his Oscar chances for saying it, nor do I think the Academy will ignore him for saying that word. Obviously he shouldn't have said it, but he said it. Obviously he used the word the way he used it, but I don't think he was trying to offend gay people. You don't have to attack me for it. I DO NOT throw around the word, btw.
Nice try. Using the word "f@ggot" offends gay people, whether you are trying to or not. What if Rourke had said "You tell that n*gger blah blah blah..." Would that have offended you? But for some reason it is different when Rourke calls someone a "f@ggot" as an insult? And you think gay people are "too sensitive" about being called offensive names?
For the record, I don't think Rourke has disqualified himself; I just think he is up to his old, offensive tricks which, in an Oscar race, is the equivalent of shooting himself in the foot.
BTW, congratulations for saving the word only for special occasions.
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Originally posted by HollywoodStar: He didn't even use the "F" word that negatively. Seriously, people need to get over little stuff like that. I don't think this will affect OR should affect his Oscar chances. It would be a shame if something so little affects someone getting nominated. Even the way he said it didn't seem offensive, so why make a big deal about it? People need to stop being overly sensitive.
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Nice try, but "f@ggot" is not a term of endearment.
Even among us f@ggots. Right, f@ggot?
I'm not saying its okay to throw around "f@ggot", but I just don't think he deserves to lose his Oscar chances for saying it, nor do I think the Academy will ignore him for saying that word. Obviously he shouldn't have said it, but he said it. Obviously he used the word the way he used it, but I don't think he was trying to offend gay people. You don't have to attack me for it. I DO NOT throw around the word, btw.
Nice try. Using the word "f@ggot" pejoratively offends gay people, whether you are trying to or not. What if Rourke had said "You tell that n*gger blah blah blah..." Would that have offended you? But it's OK to call someone a "f@ggot"?
BTW, congratulations for saving the word only for special occasions.
Obviously both are offensive and he should not have said the "f" word. But I don't think it will affect his Oscar chances at a nomination. But, as I said before, he should not have said it. Again, you are putting words in my mouth. I will just end this pointless argument.
