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Originally posted by seanflynn: Argentina ethnicity is very complicated. There are many people from that country whose roots are Italian, German, English, rather than Spanish. (Not that Spanish people or necessarily considered Latino; that's another complicated issue).
Among Spanish background people, many are Basques or Galician, which is cosidered different from Castillian and Catalonian Spaniards (who are more often found in other Latin American people).
I just read that up to 60% of Argentinians are at least part Italian, making it the largest ethnic group in the country. Italians are never considered Latino.
Dont go in this road again, please...
As part of a spaniard. I am 6´2. Blue eyes, light skin... as i say, i am truly typical spaniard.
Italian are latinos. As far as i know, latino is someone whose language comes from latin, so Portuguese, Italians, Romanians, Spaniards, and French are latinos... It makes me crazy when they used the word "latino" for latin-americans.
For further information, People from north Spain has Celts roots. Our music, culture and cusine is more related to Ireland than to the mediterranean countries.
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I, for one, would not want Johnny Depp or any white actor to play the role of Michael Jackson. That would come across as quite offensive. I can't believe people are even debating this.
Originally posted by Gucci: I, for one, would not want Johnny Depp or any white actor to play the role of Michael Jackson. That would come across as quite offensive. I can't believe people are even debating this.
Thank you.
I wouldn't even say "white" actor. I've made it a point throughout my argument to say "non-black" actor because I don't want it to seem like I have a problem with a white actor portraying Michael Jackson.
I have a problem with anyone who isn't at least partly black playing him.
As part of a spaniard. I am 6´2. Blue eyes, light skin... as i say, i am truly typical spaniard.
Italian are latinos. As far as i know, latino is someone whose language comes from latin, so Portuguese, Italians, Romanians, Spaniards, and French are latinos... It makes me crazy when they used the word "latino" for latin-americans.
Jose -
I am using the US definition. In the US, whatever the historical roots of the word, Latinos is usually meant to refer to people who have some Spanish/Portuguese ethnic background combined with Latin American heritage (including roots within pre-annexation parts of Mexico that are now located in the US). If someone is Castilian and has family roots from Spain, he/she can self-identify with the census bureau, but they don't actively push this as what they mean by Latino. (The official US Census Bureau definition of Latino specifically refers to Spanish ethnic beckground, geographically Latin American including Caribbean, and does not mention Italians).
My best friend is from Spain (Cordoba), have lived in the US for about 8 years. It took him a while, but he now understands that as far as Americans use the word, he is not Latino.
I also have a brother-in-law, family name Nunez, they emigrated from Spain to the US early 20th century, lived in New Jersey. He is adament that his is not Latino, again as the word is used here.
I've never known an Italian-American who considers him or herself Latino in contemporary America (the term Latin-lover of course originated with Rudolph Valentino, and has had a tradition that continued through Mastroianni at least, so what Jose says does have some merit even in the US, but that has pretty much changed in recent years).
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I have a question for all those opposed to a non-black actor playing Michael Jackson: how would you like to see the last half of Michael's life portrayed? There's going to have to be a Oscar-worthy make-up job going on at some point because if the film is going to be true to Michael's life, then whoever is playing him cannot look like a black man for the second half.
I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything, I'm just asking an honest question. How would you like to see that dealt with?
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In all due respect to those of you who think differently than I do on this touchy subject, please check out this new interview with Quincy Jones about Michael's death and read with your own eyes what Quincy says about how Michael felt about being black.
Q: You were there to witness the strange evolution in Michael's appearance. Did you ever step in and saying anything about it? A: Oh, we talked about it all the time. But he'd come up with, "Man, I promise you I have this disease," and so forth, and "I have a blister on my lungs," and all that kind of b.s. It's hard, because Michael's a Virgo, man—he's very set in his ways. You can't talk him out of it. Chemical peels and all that stuff.
Q: Did you believe him about the disease? A: I don't believe in any of that bull****, no. No. Never. I've been around junkies and stuff all my life. I've heard every excuse. It's like smokers—"I only smoke when I drink" and all that stuff. But it's bull****. You're justifying something that's destructive to your existence. It's crazy. I mean, I came up with Ray Charles, man. You know, nobody gonna pull no wool over my eyes. He did heroin 20 years! Come on. And black coffee and gin for 40 years. But when he called me to come over to see him when he was in the hospital on his way out, man, he had emphysema, hepatitis C, cirrhosis of the liver, and five malignant tumors. Please, man! I've been around this all my life. So it's hard for somebody to pull the wool over my eyes. But when somebody's hell-bent on it, you can't stop 'em.
Q: But it must've been so disturbing to see Michael's face turn into what it turned into. A: It's ridiculous, man! Chemical peels and all of it. And I don't understand it. But he obviously didn't want to be black.
Q: Is that what it was? A: Well, what do you think? You see his kids?
Q: Did you ever discuss it? Did you ever ask, "Michael, don't you want to be a black man?" A: No, no, no, please. That's not the way you do it.
Originally posted by zackfins: I have a question for all those opposed to a non-black actor playing Michael Jackson: how would you like to see the last half of Michael's life portrayed? There's going to have to be a Oscar-worthy make-up job going on at some point because if the film is going to be true to Michael's life, then whoever is playing him cannot look like a black man for the second half.
I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything, I'm just asking an honest question. How would you like to see that dealt with?
Makeup. That's all it can really be if the same actor is portraying him throughout the film.
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Originally posted by zackfins: I have a question for all those opposed to a non-black actor playing Michael Jackson: how would you like to see the last half of Michael's life portrayed? There's going to have to be a Oscar-worthy make-up job going on at some point because if the film is going to be true to Michael's life, then whoever is playing him cannot look like a black man for the second half.
I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything, I'm just asking an honest question. How would you like to see that dealt with?
Makeup. That's all it can really be if the same actor is portraying him throughout the film.
Makeup like that doesn't exist. It would have to be CGI if people insist on a bonafide black man to play him in the last 15 years.
Thanks Go Blue. It is a subject I've occasionally had a passing curiosity about, but haven't focused on until Jackson's death and the discussion here.
It seems like the whole suggestion of Depp playing Jackson in his later stages has caused a huge amount of denial about the man's self-image, and perhaps, some people want to help be revisionist after his death by enforcing certain rules about the casting. There is a bit of "only black actors should ever play black characters" stuff as well, but my sense is that the reaction goes deeper than that - that having Depp play him would reinforce Jackson's own self-image, which some people would prefer to pretend didn't exist.
On make-up - if one actor plays him it would have to be heavily used to age that person as well. Frankly, Depp would need less make-up than just about any black actor.
Originally posted by zackfins: I have a question for all those opposed to a non-black actor playing Michael Jackson: how would you like to see the last half of Michael's life portrayed? There's going to have to be a Oscar-worthy make-up job going on at some point because if the film is going to be true to Michael's life, then whoever is playing him cannot look like a black man for the second half.
I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything, I'm just asking an honest question. How would you like to see that dealt with?
Makeup. That's all it can really be if the same actor is portraying him throughout the film.
Makeup like that doesn't exist. It would have to be CGI if people insist on a bonafide black man to play him in the last 15 years.
Yes it could. Cut it out with the hyperbole.
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Posts: 24785 | Location: North Carolina, USA | Registered: April 11, 2005
Originally posted by zackfins: I have a question for all those opposed to a non-black actor playing Michael Jackson: how would you like to see the last half of Michael's life portrayed? There's going to have to be a Oscar-worthy make-up job going on at some point because if the film is going to be true to Michael's life, then whoever is playing him cannot look like a black man for the second half.
I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything, I'm just asking an honest question. How would you like to see that dealt with?
Nobody's "stumped" as Pucifer put it.
I say makeup. It's done in a lot of films, so I don't see why this would be any different.
Also, it probably won't be as difficult if a lighter skinned African-American was cast in the role. Obviously, I'm not saying that they makeup Wesley Snipes into playing Michael Jackson post-Bad (and I'm not trying to be facetious here by using Snipes as an example, but you get the point).
Someone about the skin tone of, say, Daniel Sunjata, Will Smith or Evan Ross would be fine. Sunjata is multi-ethnic, but he's still partially black.
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Originally posted by zackfins: I have a question for all those opposed to a non-black actor playing Michael Jackson: how would you like to see the last half of Michael's life portrayed? There's going to have to be a Oscar-worthy make-up job going on at some point because if the film is going to be true to Michael's life, then whoever is playing him cannot look like a black man for the second half.
I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything, I'm just asking an honest question. How would you like to see that dealt with?
Nobody's "stumped" as Pucifer put it.
I say makeup. It's done in a lot of films, so I don't see why this would be any different.
Are they going to put makeup on his nose to make it look smaller, too?
