Originally posted by Be: Ashanti's best shot at a nomination will be in R&B Female, which she most certainly will not win, especially with Alicia, Mary, and Mariah in contention.
Contemporary R&B Album is simply too stacked with strong contenders.
Usher Mariah Carey Mary J. Blige Chris Brown Ne-Yo
I don't see any of those five artists missing the lineup, particularly on Ashanti's behalf.
You're most correct. None of the ones you mentioned will likely miss the 5 spots. And most certainly not at the expense of The Declaration. She could certainly squeeze into Best R & B Vocal performance female, and possibly Rap/sung collabo. I'm sure she'll have at least one of those.
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Regarding the Keyshia Cole comments, "I Remember" is ineligible because it was submitted last year. It can be re-submitted, but if it is, it will most likely be a live version, just like Robin Thicke did. He submitted a live version of "Lost Without U" to R&B Male last year because he submitted the album version to Pop Male the year before.
Ashanti has NO SHOT at a win in R&B Female. I think she deserves the nomination and I hope that she gets it, but Alicia deserves to win and she will.
Ashanti won't get into Contemporary R&B Album unless she can outsell and chart a bigger hit than those already charted by Mariah, Brown, & Usher. Mary is a Grammy favorite, so hit or not, she won't be snubbed to make room for Ashanti. Ne-Yo is the defending champ, and if he does well on the singles charts like he has with the past 2 albums, then he's sure to get a 3rd nomination in that category--which would effectively make him the most nominated artist in that category (besides Beyonce).
I love Alicia but she just won last year.She already has too many Grammys.I would love to see anybody but her win.I think Ashanti will definitley get the nomination,though.
As far as Contemporary R+B Album I can almost guarantee that she'll be nominated.Usher,Mariah, and Chris Brown are the only guaranteed spots. Mary could go to R+B Album and Ne-Yo might not even be nominated.I think Ashanti's album will sell way more than Chris and Ne-Yo's so she might have that 4th spot secured.After all Ashanti was the first winner of this category so Im sure they are taking notice of that.It could go like this:
1.Usher 2.Mariah 3.Chris Brown 4.Ashanti 5.Ne-Yo or Mary
Remember Mary got nominated and won R+B Album for The Breakthrough despite everyone thinking she would get nominated in this category.I think she'll be nominated in R+B Album again.
I think you're severely underestimating Chris Brown. The only way Ashanti's album is going to sell more than Chris' is if she manages to chart hits of the same magnitude, the way he's been doing all year, and I don't see that happening. I mean...he's delivered hit after hit after hit, and his album sales have pretty much maintained since it's release and reflected that.
If Mary is somehow submitted and nominated in R&B Album (which is possible), I think Contemporary R&B Album will look like:
Usher Mariah Chris Ne-Yo Janet
Ne-Yo is a guarantee in this category, considering he just won it. Plus, he's already proven to be a solid seller and a viable threat on the singles chart. Janet has already proven that she can be nominated here for virtually anything.
And speaking of Keyshia Cole (who has managed to maintain her buzz within the R&B world)...I think she may find herself in R&B Female. If she does, it should look like:
Alicia Keys, "Like You'll Never See Me Again" Mariah Carey, "Bye Bye" Mary J. Blige, "Stay Down" Erykah Badu, "Honey" Keyshia Cole, "Heaven Sent"
So, Ashanti may not receive a nomination in this category after all.
I don't see Ashanti outselling Chris Brown and I certainly don't see her taking up a space in Contemporary R&B Album over Mary or Ne-Yo. We have to consider Grammy history here as well. Let's say that Mary DOES submit herself into R&B Album. Fine. However, that effectively means that the spot that Mary had secured would go to Janet. Remember history here. Janet has been nominated for Grammy(s) for EVERY album that she's released since Control. Both Damita Jo and 20 Y.O.--here past 2 releases--were nominated in this category. It's clear that she can be nominated for anything. The only way Janet doesn't get in is if Mary goes Contemorary R&B Album.
The only reason Mary went R&B Album last time around was because she didn't want to go against Beyonce in Contemporary R&B Album. Smart move. But this time, I don't think it matters where she submits. She'll get nominated in either category, but she'll ultimately lose. Alicia has R&B Album on lockdown. Because Mary hasn't had a hit to match the magnitude of hits released by some of her other R&B competitors, she'll lose Contemporary R&B Album as well. Chris Brown, Usher, and Mariah have all had smash hits on the charts, and right now, I might call Brown the frontrunner. Sales for Exclusive have been very consistent and he's had hits in the top 3 of the Hot 100 all year long.
The thing with him is that things will certainly change now that Mariah's album is out, and it only hurts him more that Usher's album will be out next month, so he won't hold frontrunner status too much longer. My overall point is that Ashanti will have to match or exceed the successes that Chris, Mariah, & Usher have already had this year if she seeks a shot at Contemporary R&B Album.
Ultimately, I doubt that Ashanti's album will get into that category and I can assure you that she won't outsell Chris or Ne-Yo's albums; I think you forgot that Concrete Rose was not the hit that its predecessors were, so it's not accurate to say she'll outsell Ne-Yo or Chris Brown when her previous album didn't indicate her ability to continue competing as one of the hottest stars in R&B. I can also assure you that Mary WILL be nominated, no matter which category she chooses. Additionally, I can assure that if Mary does go R&B Album, Janet will take her place in the other category. That effectively leaves Ashanti out. As defending champ and a 2x nominee in this category, Ne-Yo is probably safe.
As for Keyshia Cole getting nominated for "Heaven Sent," I think that she will first have to make that song a hit. She's managed to sustain her buzz, but she's not yet the type of artist that can get nominated for anything. Not even Mariah can land a nomination unless she has a hit with the song in question. Neither of them is like Alicia, Janet, Beyonce, or Mary; they just can't get nominated for any and everything they release. It also works against Keyshia that she's been such a big hit on the charts, because therefore, she'll most likely only be nominated for a hit song. If she was like Chrisette Michele or Erykah Badu or Jill Scott, then it might work; a hit would only enhance her chances--either way, she gets in.
Keyshia has to have a hit, so right now, I think that Ashanti's spot is safe.
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Originally posted by MrTalented: I agree with Be here.
I don't see Ashanti outselling Chris Brown and I certainly don't see her taking up a space in Contemporary R&B Album over Mary or Ne-Yo. We have to consider Grammy history here as well. Let's say that Mary DOES submit herself into R&B Album. Fine. However, that effectively means that the spot that Mary had secured would go to Janet. Remember history here. Janet has been nominated for Grammy(s) for EVERY album that she's released since Control. Both Damita Jo and 20 Y.O.--here past 2 releases--were nominated in this category. It's clear that she can be nominated for anything. The only way Janet doesn't get in is if Mary goes Contemorary R&B Album.
The only reason Mary went R&B Album last time around was because she didn't want to go against Beyonce in Contemporary R&B Album. Smart move. But this time, I don't think it matters where she submits. She'll get nominated in either category, but she'll ultimately lose. Alicia has R&B Album on lockdown. Because Mary hasn't had a hit to match the magnitude of hits released by some of her other R&B competitors, she'll lose Contemporary R&B Album as well. Chris Brown, Usher, and Mariah have all had smash hits on the charts, and right now, I might call Brown the frontrunner. Sales for Exclusive have been very consistent and he's had hits in the top 3 of the Hot 100 all year long.
The thing with him is that things will certainly change now that Mariah's album is out, and it only hurts him more that Usher's album will be out next month, so he won't hold frontrunner status too much longer. My overall point is that Ashanti will have to match or exceed the successes that Chris, Mariah, & Usher have already had this year if she seeks a shot at Contemporary R&B Album.
Ultimately, I doubt that Ashanti's album will get into that category and I can assure you that she won't outsell Chris or Ne-Yo's albums; I think you forgot that Concrete Rose was not the hit that its predecessors were, so it's not accurate to say she'll outsell Ne-Yo or Chris Brown when her previous album didn't indicate her ability to continue competing as one of the hottest stars in R&B. I can also assure you that Mary WILL be nominated, no matter which category she chooses. Additionally, I can assure that if Mary does go R&B Album, Janet will take her place in the other category. That effectively leaves Ashanti out. As defending champ and a 2x nominee in this category, Ne-Yo is probably safe.
As for Keyshia Cole getting nominated for "Heaven Sent," I think that she will first have to make that song a hit. She's managed to sustain her buzz, but she's not yet the type of artist that can get nominated for anything. Not even Mariah can land a nomination unless she has a hit with the song in question. Neither of them is like Alicia, Janet, Beyonce, or Mary; they just can't get nominated for any and everything they release. It also works against Keyshia that she's been such a big hit on the charts, because therefore, she'll most likely only be nominated for a hit song. If she was like Chrisette Michele or Erykah Badu or Jill Scott, then it might work; a hit would only enhance her chances--either way, she gets in.
Keyshia has to have a hit, so right now, I think that Ashanti's spot is safe.
Wow I forgot about Janet.Contemporary R+B Album is already stacked then once you guys add her in there.She really has been nominated for every album since "Control".
Chris,Mariah,and Usher are the only locks for right now.I think in the end Usher will win this category,but determining the nominees now is kind of hard.We really have to wait to see how much Ashanti will sell and how she will chart before we talk about a nomination,but I just feel that she'll sale way more than Concrete Rose.Her buzz is back again and at the time she was involved in all that trial drama with The Inc."The Way That I Love You" is slowly rising up the charts but Ashanti should see some good success this time around.Not like she did in 2002 but she will do better than she did with Concrete Rose.
Im not too sure about Ne-Yo,yeah he is the defending champ but I dont know if his new song will be a hit like his other songs were.
I think the best thing to do now is wait until everyone has released their albums and see how much they sell and then we can say who is gonna get nominated.
Keyshia Cole could get a nomination but at this point I dont see it happening."I Remember" was her best shot at Female R+B.The song was a hit on the R+B charts and stayed there for a long time."Heaven Sent" will have to be a hit in order to get in the category but I dont see her getting in over previous nominees and winners like Alicia,Ashanti,Mariah,Mary,and Erykah.If it was "I Remember" then she would have a chance,but Im not too sure now!
Well, I did forget that Ashanti is experiencing more single success this time around than from her last album. I'm glad that you reminded me of that, Classof2006.
We will have to wait and see. I still have my doubts about her outselling Ne-Yo or Chris Brown, but she's doing better than she was last time around so we'll have to wait and see. She probably will do better than Concrete Rose and hopefully this will repair the damage done to her career.
It's really sad that she's experiencing problems this early in her career. It's even sadder that none of these things that have happened throughout the course of her career are her fault.
As I've said before, I think that Ashanti is better than she's given credit for, and I like rooting for the underdog. I support her and I will buy her album. And despite popular belief, I still contend that she's a very good vocalist.
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Originally posted by MrTalented: Well, I did forget that Ashanti is experiencing more single success this time around than from her last album. I'm glad that you reminded me of that, Classof2006.
We will have to wait and see. I still have my doubts about her outselling Ne-Yo or Chris Brown, but she's doing better than she was last time around so we'll have to wait and see. She probably will do better than Concrete Rose and hopefully this will repair the damage done to her career.
It's really sad that she's experiencing problems this early in her career. It's even sadder that none of these things that have happened throughout the course of her career are her fault.
As I've said before, I think that Ashanti is better than she's given credit for, and I like rooting for the underdog. I support her and I will buy her album. And despite popular belief, I still contend that she's a very good vocalist.
I dont think she can outsell Chris Brown but she probably will sell more than Ne-Yo.
Yeah I hate that all the drama The Inc. went through has affected her career.That's why I always resented the fact that she was signed to them.Sure they have helped her career alot but in the end things only got worse.She would have been better off signing with someoneelse,IMO!And it's even worse now that Irv Gotti is turning his back on her just because she is working with new producers.I saw that one coming.
I agree with the last statement.Ashanti is definitly better than what people make her out to be.Im not saying she is a fantastic vocalist but when you compare her to women like Rihanna, Ciara,J.Lo,and Britney Spears she is so much better,IMO.Hopefully this album will put her back on the map.She is having her Janet Jackson "Control" moment so everything is in her hands this time around.
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I love Ashanti's new video and song too. However, she has no chance at the Grammys, sorry. I don't think her new album will do well either. I won't be surprised at a first week of 150k. She isn't too relevant at the moment right now.
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Chris Brown, Mariah and Usher are the only locks for Contemporary R&B album. As of now i predict Chris as the frontrunner. So that leaves 2 last spots for a nomination.
Janet)Album will not be remembered come fall. it seems that she is done with this album and if it is submitted it will be in Pop Vocal Album this reminds me of the "All For You" era.
Mary)if submitted, then she will be nominated for Cont. R&B album. But I doubt it alot of you guys predicted "The Breakthrough" for Cont. R&B but somehow she ended up in R&B album and not because of Beyonce.
Neyo) Is the raining winner but the new single dont look so promising.
My point is Ashanti has a shot at Female R&B, R&B song and cont. R&B album. if she sell Ok and create a little more buzz. ConcreteRose wasnt a flop IMO. It went platinum with only 1 single if she would have pushed the album more it would have sold more and lets not forget it sold 245k first week which is enough to get her to #1 now days.
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Mary was submitted in R&B Album because of Beyonce. Geffen knew it'd be a risk putting Mary against another Grammy favorite and past winner in that particular category...so they submitted her to the category where she had the best shot at winning.
Personally, I do think Mary would have defeated Beyonce in Contemporary R&B Album; however, it wouldn't have been a guaranteed win. It really could have gone either way. R&B Album was a guaranteed win for Mary, and her team was aware of that.
Mary is going to be nominated, in whichever category she's submitted in. I just don't believe she'll be submitted in R&B Album. The difference here, though, is that there were enough elements on The Breakthrough to make Mary's submission/nomination in R&B Album understandable. Growing Pains is just flat out Contemporary R&B, 100%, from top to bottom. The material leans toward a submission in Contemporary R&B Album, and that's where I think she'll be submitted...effectively occupying one of those five slots.
Originally posted by Be: Mary was submitted in R&B Album because of Beyonce. Geffen knew it'd be a risk putting Mary against another Grammy favorite and past winner in that particular category...so they submitted her to the category where she had the best shot at winning.
Personally, I do think Mary would have defeated Beyonce in Contemporary R&B Album; however, it wouldn't have been a guaranteed win. It really could have gone either way. R&B Album was a guaranteed win for Mary, and her team was aware of that.
Mary is going to be nominated, in whichever category she's submitted in. I just don't believe she'll be submitted in R&B Album. The difference here, though, is that there were enough elements on The Breakthrough to make Mary's submission/nomination in R&B Album understandable. Growing Pains is just flat out Contemporary R&B, 100%, from top to bottom. The material leans toward a submission in Contemporary R&B Album, and that's where I think she'll be submitted...effectively occupying one of those five slots.
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Originally posted by Be: Mary was submitted in R&B Album because of Beyonce. Geffen knew it'd be a risk putting Mary against another Grammy favorite and past winner in that particular category...so they submitted her to the category where she had the best shot at winning.
Personally, I do think Mary would have defeated Beyonce in Contemporary R&B Album; however, it wouldn't have been a guaranteed win. It really could have gone either way. R&B Album was a guaranteed win for Mary, and her team was aware of that.
Mary is going to be nominated, in whichever category she's submitted in. I just don't believe she'll be submitted in R&B Album. The difference here, though, is that there were enough elements on The Breakthrough to make Mary's submission/nomination in R&B Album understandable. Growing Pains is just flat out Contemporary R&B, 100%, from top to bottom. The material leans toward a submission in Contemporary R&B Album, and that's where I think she'll be submitted...effectively occupying one of those five slots.
If submitted then of course she will be nominated but I guess we will have to wait and see.
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Originally posted by tae2004: I love Ashanti's new video and song too. However, she has no chance at the Grammys, sorry. I don't think her new album will do well either. I won't be surprised at a first week of 150k. She isn't too relevant at the moment right now.
I think it's still too early to tell.I think she'll get a few nominations but she wont win! She will sell more than Concrete Rose which only sold 245,000 the first week.
Originally posted by tae2004: I love Ashanti's new video and song too. However, she has no chance at the Grammys, sorry. I don't think her new album will do well either. I won't be surprised at a first week of 150k. She isn't too relevant at the moment right now.
I think it's still too early to tell.I think she'll get a few nominations but she wont win! She will sell more than Concrete Rose which only sold 245,000 the first week.
More than "Concrete Rose"?! I think it will be a struggle for her to sell even 100,000 the first week.
I think 100,000 is within reach given the popularity of the song and video. But 245,000 is a bit of a stretch. The music industry as a whole is struggling and super hot acts sometimes have problems hitting that mark. I dont see Ashanti going there although I would LOVE to be wrong. I also like rooting for the underdog. SO what if (when) she does NOT WIN a grammy, but after her long and hard resurrection, a Grammy nod is probably as good as she and her camp could have hoped for.
I would use this thread but the haters arent in here and I dont want them ruining a thread that's supposed to be positive!(Especially Be's negative hatin ass)
