I mean the top categories like Album, Record, and Song of the year. As for the best new artist category, no real hip-hop artist has won in that category, I think Arrested Development; which I'm not sure I'd count them.
We've had this discussion for a while. Obviously NARAs and the blue ribbon committee are more open to honoring an R&B record moreso than a Hip-Hop one.
There really hasn't been a true hip-hop album that won AOTY. Lauryn Hill's album was R&B-friendly. I honestly don't consider Outkast as breaking it because the main reason they won was because of Andre 3000's side of the album and his side was more urban "pop" than straight up urban. I thought Eminem was going to do it, but that failed. Then came Kanye West, that failed. Who will break the curse there? ROTY has been even worse for urban music. Actually SOTY has been by far the worse for urban records to win.
It depends on what you mean by "urban" because R&B is considered "urban". Lauryn Hill, OutKast, and Arrested Development are the closest artists you get to "urban".
If you mean artists like 50 Cent, Nas, Jay-Z, then I think it will probably never happen... not unless they try something different with their music like OutKast did.
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I think R&B Songs have fared the best in SOTY. "Fallin'," and "Dance With My Father" have won SOTY this millenium.
I don't think we'll ever see an "urban" track win ROTY and be rewarded in the R&B field and/or Rap field until some of these old geezers die off the committee and some young, hip new voters come aboard. So I guess it will be like in 2070 or something like that.
Originally posted by Gucci: I think R&B Songs have fared the best in SOTY. "Fallin'," and "Dance With My Father" have won SOTY this millenium.
I don't think we'll ever see an "urban" track win ROTY and be rewarded in the R&B field and/or Rap field until some of these old geezers die off the committee and some young, hip new voters come aboard. So I guess it will be like in 2070 or something like that.
I agree with Gucci.Grammy Voters will probably NEVER vote for an Urban Record in ROTY until some of the older members leave or retire.It's ashame to because Mariah,and few others really deserved that award.As for now the only way an "Urban Artist" will win ROTY is if they record a song with live instruments like "Rehab","Not Ready To Make Nice,or"Clocks".
Originally posted by Gucci: I think R&B Songs have fared the best in SOTY. "Fallin'," and "Dance With My Father" have won SOTY this millenium.
I don't think we'll ever see an "urban" track win ROTY and be rewarded in the R&B field and/or Rap field until some of these old geezers die off the committee and some young, hip new voters come aboard. So I guess it will be like in 2070 or something like that.
I agree with you. LOL I was thinking about this after I made my posts.
For starters, like Gucci said, they need more Hip Hop gurus/voters on board. There are too many conservative voters on the NARAS. That's where all the bias comes from. They only vote for Pop/Rock legends or critical acclaimed newcomers. I don't think it's fair. There's no balance whatsoever, IMO.
Originally posted by Gucci: I think R&B Songs have fared the best in SOTY. "Fallin'," and "Dance With My Father" have won SOTY this millenium.
I don't think we'll ever see an "urban" track win ROTY and be rewarded in the R&B field and/or Rap field until some of these old geezers die off the committee and some young, hip new voters come aboard. So I guess it will be like in 2070 or something like that.
I agree with you. LOL I was thinking about this after I made my posts.
For starters, like Gucci said, they need more Hip Hop gurus/voters on board. There are too many conservative voters on the NARAS. That's where all the bias comes from. They only vote for Pop/Rock legends or critical acclaimed newcomers. I don't think it's fair. There's no balance whatsoever, IMO.
Very true.They dont like rewarding "Hip-Hop and R+B records" because the panel is made up of old men and women that LOVE Pop/Rock/Country music.This needs to stop.I would even love for them to reward a Gospel song.(Which they've never done either)
Mariah couldn't, Beyoncé couldn't, Outkast couldn't all with huge hits...I'd say Mary and Gnarls Barkley but the Dixie Chicks really deserved their award! I don't think NARAS is interested in rewarding Record to an Urban record since they have so many categories, they may feel they can reward these artist in R&B or Rap...go figure...I'd love to know for how many votes Mariah lost Record to Green Day lol!!!!
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Originally posted by Gucci: I think R&B Songs have fared the best in SOTY. "Fallin'," and "Dance With My Father" have won SOTY this millenium.
I don't think we'll ever see an "urban" track win ROTY and be rewarded in the R&B field and/or Rap field until some of these old geezers die off the committee and some young, hip new voters come aboard. So I guess it will be like in 2070 or something like that.
I agree with you. LOL I was thinking about this after I made my posts.
For starters, like Gucci said, they need more Hip Hop gurus/voters on board. There are too many conservative voters on the NARAS. That's where all the bias comes from. They only vote for Pop/Rock legends or critical acclaimed newcomers. I don't think it's fair. There's no balance whatsoever, IMO.
Very true.They dont like rewarding "Hip-Hop and R+B records" because the panel is made up of old men and women that LOVE Pop/Rock/Country music.This needs to stop.I would even love for them to reward a Gospel song.(Which they've never done either)
I agree with all three of you. I think until they get some "hip" or young voters to come aboard, nothing will happen. It will be the SAME shtick year after year.
Originally posted by musicluva123: Have they ever nominated a Gospel artist in a General Field?
If not, then that's ludicrous.
Kirk Franklin was nominated for SOTY in 1999 for "Lean On Me".But other than that.I dont remember any other Gospel Artists being nominated in the General Field.
Originally posted by Gucci: I think R&B Songs have fared the best in SOTY. "Fallin'," and "Dance With My Father" have won SOTY this millenium.
I don't think we'll ever see an "urban" track win ROTY and be rewarded in the R&B field and/or Rap field until some of these old geezers die off the committee and some young, hip new voters come aboard. So I guess it will be like in 2070 or something like that.
I agree with you. LOL I was thinking about this after I made my posts.
For starters, like Gucci said, they need more Hip Hop gurus/voters on board. There are too many conservative voters on the NARAS. That's where all the bias comes from. They only vote for Pop/Rock legends or critical acclaimed newcomers. I don't think it's fair. There's no balance whatsoever, IMO.
Very true.They dont like rewarding "Hip-Hop and R+B records" because the panel is made up of old men and women that LOVE Pop/Rock/Country music.This needs to stop.I would even love for them to reward a Gospel song.(Which they've never done either)
I agree with all three of you. I think until they get some "hip" or young voters to come aboard, nothing will happen. It will be the SAME shtick year after year.
Yeah maybe they should get me,you,Gucci,Mr. Talented,Double D,Fighting4Justice and a few others to join the voting committee so we can show them how it's done!
It isn't that they don't vote for urban records in Record of the Year. It's that they only vote for instrumentalists in ROY. To win, you basically have to be a band or a soloist who is also an instrumentalist (a la Shawn Colvin). It's not just urban records that don't win. It's dance records, ballads, pop singers, country singers, etc., etc., etc.
Originally posted by MysteriousRent: It isn't that they don't vote for urban records in Record of the Year. It's that they only vote for instrumentalists in ROY. To win, you basically have to be a band or a soloist who is also an instrumentalist (a la Shawn Colvin). It's not just urban records that don't win. It's dance records, ballads, pop singers, country singers, etc., etc., etc.
In years past, Whitney, Celine, and a few others have won that barely used instruments.
Originally posted by Gucci: I think R&B Songs have fared the best in SOTY. "Fallin'," and "Dance With My Father" have won SOTY this millenium.
I don't think we'll ever see an "urban" track win ROTY and be rewarded in the R&B field and/or Rap field until some of these old geezers die off the committee and some young, hip new voters come aboard. So I guess it will be like in 2070 or something like that.
I agree with you. LOL I was thinking about this after I made my posts.
For starters, like Gucci said, they need more Hip Hop gurus/voters on board. There are too many conservative voters on the NARAS. That's where all the bias comes from. They only vote for Pop/Rock legends or critical acclaimed newcomers. I don't think it's fair. There's no balance whatsoever, IMO.
Very true.They dont like rewarding "Hip-Hop and R+B records" because the panel is made up of old men and women that LOVE Pop/Rock/Country music.This needs to stop.I would even love for them to reward a Gospel song.(Which they've never done either)
I agree with all three of you. I think until they get some "hip" or young voters to come aboard, nothing will happen. It will be the SAME shtick year after year.
Yeah maybe they should get me,you,Gucci,Mr. Talented,Double D,Fighting4Justice and a few others to join the voting committee so we can show them how it's done!
I don't really think it's a bias against urban records. As already mentioned, NARAS favors a certain type of record. A record produced by a musician that uses instruments. Most urban records take the easy way out and rely on samples or computers to make their music. (Which is precisely why I knew "Umbrella" wouldn't win)
Originally posted by HollywoodStar: In years past, Whitney, Celine, and a few others have won that barely used instruments.
Those records were produced by musicians (David Foster). Musicians are more respected than people like Jermain Durpri.
I think Alicia Keys will one day win ROTY with an urban song if she stays away from samples or Prince/James Brown rip offs. She needs to come up with something original.
Originally posted by MysteriousRent: It isn't that they don't vote for urban records in Record of the Year. It's that they only vote for instrumentalists in ROY. To win, you basically have to be a band or a soloist who is also an instrumentalist (a la Shawn Colvin). It's not just urban records that don't win. It's dance records, ballads, pop singers, country singers, etc., etc., etc.
In years past, Whitney, Celine, and a few others have won that barely used instruments.
Those records are incredibly rare and a decade since it has happened. Also, in both of those cases, the records took over the cultural Zeitgeist like few do. It could be possible for it to happen again, but NARAS has been trending mroe and more away from these type of records since Dion's victory.
Originally posted by musicluva123: Have they ever nominated a Gospel artist in a General Field?
If not, then that's ludicrous.
Kirk Franklin was nominated for SOTY in 1999 for "Lean On Me".But other than that.I dont remember any other Gospel Artists being nominated in the General Field.
I don't think that song was nominated in the Gospel field. I believe it was nominated in the R&B Field. So, there still some bias there.
It's really sad we haven't a Gospel song in the General Field categories yet. Honestly, "Imagine Me" By Kirk Franklin should've been nominated in the General Field categories...
Originally posted by moviemagic08: It's really sad we haven't a Gospel song in the General Field categories yet. Honestly, "Imagine Me" By Kirk Franklin should've been nominated in the General Field categories...
Kirk was nominated in SOTY in 1999.But I agree it's ashame that Gospel doesnt get recognized in the General Field!
I agree with Gucci.Grammy Voters will probably NEVER vote for an Urban Record in ROTY until some of the older members leave or retire.It's ashame to because Mariah,and few others really deserved that award.As for now the only way an "Urban Artist" will win ROTY is if they record a song with live instruments like "Rehab","Not Ready To Make Nice,or"Clocks".
