Originally posted by Troy: Anyway...I don't think there are many similarities to Beyonce and Mary. Beside the hip-hop influences, they have totally different styles.
Co-Sign!!!!
Someone said this before, they are both Fruit but one of them is an orange and the other an apple (Beyonce is the Orange, I like them Better)
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What is so different about new jack swing and hip hop/soul? Is it because Mary decided to call herself the Queen of hip hop/soul... and so hip hop/soul becomes a seperate genre after people mention it enough times (eventhough it is the same)?
Originally posted by musicluva123: No, but they are both contemporary R&B artists.
I think that was my point.
I just don't see why Beyonce can't be a successor to the "Queen of Hip-Hop/Soul", when the type of music Beyonce makes is Hip Hop-Soul/Contemporary R&B.
Originally posted by Kenny: What is so different about new jack swing and hip hop/soul? Is it because Mary decided to call herself the Queen of hip hop/soul... and so hip hop/soul becomes a seperate genre after people mention it enough times (eventhough it is the same)?
Mary didn't decide to call herself that. It was given to her by Puff Daddy, now known as Diddy. New Jack Swing and Hip Hop Soul have similarities and differences. Aaliyah's, Monica's, and Brandy's first records are great examples of Hip Hop Soul. The beat on Hip Hop Soul is much more harder. You can always google the two.
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Originally posted by musicluva123: No, but they are both contemporary R&B artists. I think Keyshia, Shareefa, and Sharissa and Faith are the closest singers to Mary.
Nothing against you Musicluva123, It's just the first post that was up about this, but why are people so frickin fascinated to making someone the successor of MJB? She's vastly overrated, why would anyone want to look up to her when there's better artists out there (Whitney, Madonna, Mariah, Tina, Babs and so on)
To each their own, but someone explain to me what's so fascinating about getting her a "succesor".
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Originally posted by musicluva123: No, but they are both contemporary R&B artists. I think Keyshia, Shareefa, and Sharissa and Faith are the closest singers to Mary.
Nothing against you Musicluva123, It's just the first post that was up about this, but why are people so frickin fascinated to making someone the successor of MJB? She's vastly overrated, why would anyone want to look up to her when there's better artists out there (Whitney, Madonna, Mariah, Tina, Babs and so on)
To each their own, but someone explain to me what's so fascinating about getting her a "succesor".
Huh? I'm not understanding. She's a successor because she popularized something that a lot of females are doing today. It has nothing to do with being overrated. Mary is an icon in her own right. Do you not hear the similarities between Mary and Keyshia? Mary is the successor, obviously.
Originally posted by musicluva123: No, but they are both contemporary R&B artists.
I think that was my point.
I just don't see why Beyonce can't be a successor to the "Queen of Hip-Hop/Soul", when the type of music Beyonce makes is Hip Hop-Soul/Contemporary R&B.
She can't because she's just the Queen (Beyonce that is, but I do like Empress better), nuff said! On a serious note, there are people who are closer to Mary's music than Beyonce. B can pull of things that MJB can't so it's hard to define B as just a next MBJ.
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Originally posted by Kenny: What is so different about new jack swing and hip hop/soul? Is it because Mary decided to call herself the Queen of hip hop/soul... and so hip hop/soul becomes a seperate genre after people mention it enough times (eventhough it is the same)?
Mary didn't decide to call herself that. it was given to her by Puff Daddy, now known as Diddy. New Jack Swing and Hip Hop Soul have similarities and differences. Aaliyah's, Monica's, and Brandy's first records are great examples of Hip Hop Soul. The beat on Hip Hop Soul is much more harder. You can always google the two.
Exactly.
If you listen to What's the 411? and Rhythm Nation 1814, it's two completely different directions.
And I can tell this Kenny person is uneducated if he thinks Mary gave herself that title...when it has been said, on numerous occasions, that Diddy gave her that title.
Originally posted by musicluva123: No, but they are both contemporary R&B artists. I think Keyshia, Shareefa, and Sharissa and Faith are the closest singers to Mary.
Nothing against you Musicluva123, It's just the first post that was up about this, but why are people so frickin fascinated to making someone the successor of MJB? She's vastly overrated, why would anyone want to look up to her when there's better artists out there (Whitney, Madonna, Mariah, Tina, Babs and so on)
To each their own, but someone explain to me what's so fascinating about getting her a "succesor".
Huh? I'm not understanding. She's a successor because she popularized something that a lot of females are doing today. It has nothing to do with being overrated. Mary is an icon in her own right. Do you not hear the similarities between Mary and Keyshia? Mary is the successor, obviously.
Oh the overrated part was just my personal insight on this, sorry about that but what I'm asking is why do people want to put a sucess or on MJB or for that case someone else? (regardless if I like her or not) I kinda have my own answer to that but I'd like to see other peoples.
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Originally posted by Kenny: I'm not trying to be a prick, but what exactly is so different musically between "Real Love" (Mary's "hip hop soul") and say "Girlfriend" by Pebbles?
WOW! Kenny. You went there with the "Girlfriend" by Pebbles?
And after that we can Ketchup like tomato. We can make love in Italy in the grotto. Fresh off the jet at the met, they screamin' bravo, bravo, bravo.
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I knew P Diddy gave her that title, it was a mistake on my part. And it's nice that her producer handed her that title a few years into her career. But there really isn't that much different between the 2 genres. So Mary didn't create it, since it already existed. I'm sure if Jay-Z started calling Beyonce "the queen of fast singing R&B", and enough people say it, people will accept it as a genre that Beyonce makes.
Originally posted by Kenny: I'm not trying to be a prick, but what exactly is so different musically between "Real Love" (Mary's "hip hop soul") and say "Girlfriend" by Pebbles?
There's actually a great article on Wikipedia describing the difference.
I'll give my two cents if you're still having trouble understanding the obvious.
It says that the major difference is that artists of New Jack Swing stayed more towards the R&B side, while hip-hop soul artists actually used elements of east coast hip-hop and gangsta rap in their music, relying heavily on those samples.
Originally posted by Kenny: I knew P Diddy gave her that title, it was a mistake on my part. And it's nice that her producer handed her that title a few years into her career. But there really isn't that much different between the 2 genres. So Mary didn't create it, since it already existed. I'm sure if Jay-Z started calling Beyonce "the queen of fast singing R&B", and enough people say it, people will accept it as a genre that Beyonce makes.
No one ever said she created it. She, however, popularized it. New Jack Swing and Hip Hop Soul can go hand in hand, but they are quite different. They are both R&B styles. I guess you can say Freestyle and House music are the same thing, no?
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Originally posted by Kenny: I'm not trying to be a prick, but what exactly is so different musically between "Real Love" (Mary's "hip hop soul") and say "Girlfriend" by Pebbles?
There's actually a great article on Wikipedia describing the difference.
I'll give my two cents if you're still having trouble understanding the obvious.
It says that the major difference is that artists of New Jack Swing stayed more towards the R&B side, while hip-hop soul artists actually used elements of east coast hip-hop and gangsta rap in their music, relying heavily on those samples.
Though none of that is sourced by credible publications, that is still a somewhat valid explanation that I can accept.
