I see this argument come up a lot when making predictions. People say the chances of winning a genre award increases if they have a GF nomination.

List examples where an artist had a GF nomination but lost in their genre category to someone who was not a fellow GF nominee.

The one that everyone mentions is when Ne-Yo's The Year of the Gentleman was nominated for AOTY yet the album lost Best Cont R&B Album.

Gwen Stefani was nominated for LAMB in 2006 for Album of the year, but lost to Kelly Clarkson's Breakaway for Female pop vocal album. Kelly wasn't nominated in the GF.

I've mentioned this quite a few times within a few days time.

This seems to happen more times to AOTY nominees than SOTY or ROTY nominees.

Here are some examples:
Gwen Stefani "Hollaback Girl" being nominated for ROTY but losing to Kelly Clarkson's "Since U Been Gone"in Best Female Pop Vocal Performance. Gwen Stefani and Paul McCartney were both nominated for AOTY but lost to Kelly Clarkson in Pop Vocal Album.

Babyface losing to Erykah Badu in Best R&B Album despite being an AOTY nominee

"Yeah" losing to "You Don't Know My Name" in Best R&B Song despite having a ROTY nomination.

Mariah Carey losing to Joni Mitchell in Pop Vocal Album despite being an AOTY nominee; Mariah Carey & Boyz II Men also lost Best Pop Collabo despite having a ROTY nominee.

There are so many examples.

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India.Ari's massive and tragic loss to mostly Alicia Keys for the GF and the R&B field.

India.Arie lost R&B Album despite being an AOTY nominee, but everything else is different. Alicia Keys and India.Arie were up for SOTY and ROTY. It's not the same thing. I still don't know why those losses were so shocking.

Ashanti was nominated for Best New Artist in 2003 and had the most nominations but lost Female R+B Vocal to Mary J. Blige.

Shania Twain (Come On Over, 1999, nommed for AOTY) losing Best Country Album to The Dixie Chicks.

All of Mariah losses in 1996 were to acts not nominated in the GF.

Celine Dion (Because You Love Me, 1997, nommed for SOTY, ROTY) losing to Toni Braxton's Un-Break My Heart.

Althought Lauryn Hill was nominated in AOTY and BNA, "Doo Wop" still won Best R&B Song against ROTY nominee "The Boy Is Mine."

Stuff like this happens every year, actually.

Some more examples:

1994 - ROTY nominee Bonnie Raitt's "Love Sneakin' Up On You" losing Best Female Rock Vocal Performance to Melissa Etheridge's "Come To My Window"
1997 - ROTY nominees Paula Cole's "Where Have All The Cowboys Gone?" and Shawn Colvin's "Sunny Came Home" both losing Best Female Pop Vocal Performance to Sarah McLaughlin's "Building A Mystery"
1998 - SOTY nominee "Lean On Me" losing Best R&B Song to "Doo Wop (That Thing)"
2003 - AOTY nominees Evanescence's Fallen losing Best Rock Album to the Foo Fighters' One By One
2003 - SOTY nominee "Dance With My Father" losing Best R&B Song to "Crazy In Love"
2004 - ROTY nominees Green Day's "American Idiot" losing Best Rock Performance By A Duo Or Group With Vocals to U2's "Vertigo"
2006 - ROTY nominee James Blunt's "You're Beautiful" losing Best Male Pop Vocal Performance to John Mayer's "Waiting On The World To Change"

Dixie Chicks' "Wide Open Spaces" beat Shania Twain's "Come on Over" for Best Country Album, but Shania was the one nominated for Album Of The Year.

I didn't realize how common all this was until I read all the examples in this thread.

Nice work, guys.

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Originally posted by Gucci:
Some more examples:

2003 - SOTY nominee "Dance With My Father" losing Best R&B Song to "Crazy In Love"

And yet, "Dance With My Father" won Song of the Year. It really is quite ridiculous sometimes when you sit down and think about it. Does that mean the if "Crazy in Love" were nominated for SOTY, rather than ROTY that year, it would've won??

All these awards, I don't know. Sometimes they can be quite arbitrary and in the heat of the moment. Besides, it's a classic case of musicians partaking in self-glorification - what better way to celebrate yourselves than to create an organisation of exclusivity and bestow upon yourselves so-called peer recognition? Sometimes I ask myself, why bother?

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I still can't get over the fact that Luther won the big song category but lost the smaller one.

Didn't Phil Collins' "Another Day in Paradise" win ROTY but lost Best Male Pop Vocal Performance?

Yes. Phil Collins won ROTY in 1991, but lost Best Male Pop Vocal Performance to Roy Orbison.

Well the General Field and genre fields are voted by different members right? So no surprise really.

Pretty much, tae. The panel puts certain submissions through in the General Field. The NARAS votes for the nominees in the genre fields. I wonder how would it be if the NARAS determines the nominees in the General Field.

I also wonder if people would have been calling Ne-Yo, for example, the front-runner of Best Contemporary R&B Album had he not received an AOTY nomination.

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BNA seemed much more commercial and almost daring before the panel was created.

This is extremely common....some of these are not even that shocking...I mean Backstreet Boys were up for Album of the Year and Ricky Martin was up for Record of the Year, they both lost Pop Album (BSB) and Pop Male (Ricky) to Sting...is that a surprise? No...

The only real shock here is Shania and Dixie Chicks which was brutal considering all the nods and all those millions of records that Shania sold and how it is definitely a better album than the Dixie Chicks....and of course the most ridiculous one of all, Gwen losing to Kelly Clarkson...

I would consdier the Mariah 1996 loses...some of those are just weird...

Aside from that, common, this just shows that the same people don't vote in both cases....Evanescence winning over Foo Fighters for rock album? That wasn't going to happen, they simply own that genre at the Grammys.

Dance with My Father losing to Crazy in Love? Those categories are all about hits...ditto Doo Wop winning over Lean on Me...a case could be made for The Boy is Mine which at the same time can be attributed to "it was Lauryn's year..."...Usher winning over R&B Grammy queen Alicia for songwriting? please, wasn't going to happen...

The Female Pop Grammy of 97 was just a toss-up really, and the biggest shock wasn't that Building a Mistery won, the shock was that it wasn't nominated for Record of the Year with the others, it was the biggest hit of the three and a much more expected nominee that year than the other two, and at least in my opinion, it was the best choice to win Pop Female so...

The same could be said for Celine and Toni. That was just too hard to predict if only because of Celine's other GF nods....But I think Un-Break My Heart was the bigger hit and I would expected that oneto show up as a nominee for Record more than Because you Loved Me.

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Originally posted by tae2004:
Well the General Field and genre fields are voted by different members right? So no surprise really.

Actually I don't think that's true. Anyone that votes for a genre category can vote in the GF too. Maybe Guru/DoubleD know more about it, but I always thought each NARAS member is allowed to vote for a certain amount of categories (the GF and whatever genre category they choose).

With the "Crazy in Love" and "Dance With My Father" example, I think the voters in the R&B field (Ciara, Nelly, etc) voted for whatever was hot, whereas in the GF, you had all sorts of people voting (Tony Bennet, Bruce Springsteen).