People throw the word "classic" around here quite often. There is NOTHING classic about B'Day. That's an insult to the artists and albums that are truly classic. When I think of a classic album, I immediately think of Lauryn Hill's The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill. B'Day doesn't even compare to it.
Originally posted by Troy: The problem for me is that none of these albums are really exceptional. She has a few great songs on each, but as a whole, none of the albums are stellar.
I'd call B'Day stellar. Classic even. I find it exceptional simply because, as someone who follows R&B closely, it doesn't sound like anything else within the genre. And I think she nailed it. I expect to be one of those underrated masterpieces by one of music's biggest stars.
You must did not hear Amerie "Touch" that came out a year before it?
I heard Touch and it was a mediocre album.
Besides "1 Thing" there's nothing on that album that sounds like anything on B'Day. And must I remind you, "1 Thing" is nothing but a "Crazy In Love" ripoff. It's a good song and all, but let's not pretend that it didn't blatantly rip a page from what made "Crazy In Love" the hit that it was.
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Originally posted by Gucci: People throw the word "classic" around here quite often. There is NOTHING classic about B'Day. That's an insult to the artists and albums that are truly classic. When I think of a classic album, I immediately think of Lauryn Hill's The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill. B'Day doesn't even compare to it.
Once again, I have to remind people that we're all entitled to our own opinions.
Miseducation is my favorite album of all time. I agree that it's a classic, but you can't even compare that to B'Day because they are two completely DIFFERENT albums. There's nothing remotely similar about either album, so I wouldn't even compare them.
I didn't throw the word "classic" around loosely. I thought about it before I posted it, and if I didn't think it was a classic, I wouldn't have called it one.
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Originally posted by Gucci: People throw the word "classic" around here quite often. There is NOTHING classic about B'Day. That's an insult to the artists and albums that are truly classic. When I think of a classic album, I immediately think of Lauryn Hill's The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill. B'Day doesn't even compare to it.
Hucci's gotta point.
Let's keep it cute, E-lie. You know better than that.
Originally posted by Gucci: People throw the word "classic" around here quite often. There is NOTHING classic about B'Day. That's an insult to the artists and albums that are truly classic. When I think of a classic album, I immediately think of Lauryn Hill's The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill. B'Day doesn't even compare to it.
Hucci's gotta point.
Let's keep it cute, E-lie. You know better than that.
You've really toned it down Gucci. What's the deal?
Acording to Sony BMG Australia, Beyonce's re-release for "I Am...Sasha Fierce - Platinum Edition" will be released on Sept. 4th 2009, on her 28th birthday. It's a CD/DVD.
Originally posted by MrTalented: I heard Touch and it was a mediocre album.
Besides "1 Thing" there's nothing on that album that sounds like anything on B'Day. And must I remind you, "1 Thing" is nothing but a "Crazy In Love" ripoff. It's a good song and all, but let's not pretend that it didn't blatantly rip a page from what made "Crazy In Love" the hit that it was.
I agree with all this. Touch is a mediocre album and "1 Thing" does sound a lot like "Crazy In Love." Maybe it's because they both used the same producer. B'Day is the much better album of the two.
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Originally posted by MrTalented: People throw the word "classic" around here quite often. There is NOTHING classic about B'Day. That's an insult to the artists and albums that are truly classic. When I think of a classic album, I immediately think of Lauryn Hill's The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill. B'Day doesn't even compare to it.
Once again, I have to remind people that we're all entitled to our own opinions.
Miseducation is my favorite album of all time. I agree that it's a classic, but you can't even compare that to B'Day because they are two completely DIFFERENT albums. There's nothing remotely similar about either album, so I wouldn't even compare them.
I didn't throw the word "classic" around loosely. I thought about it before I posted it, and if I didn't think it was a classic, I wouldn't have called it one.
Yes, we are entitled to our own opinions. I never said that you weren't. We just have a difference of opinion on what's classic and what is not classic. That's all.
Originally posted by torontophenom: Hucci's gotta point.
Let's keep it cute, E-lie. You know better than that.
You've really toned it down Gucci. What's the deal?
You know what toronto, I was going to lash out on that poster. But then I thought to myself...what's the point. However, if he/she keeps it up, then it will be time to pull out the big guns.
I agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but I would still say that "Dangeroulsy In Love" is a classic,IMO!
E-Lie you really need to chill out with all the name calling. And I dont see how you can call all of Beyonce's music garbage when you think "Umbrella", SINGLE-HANDELY did more for Pop music than any other song!
Originally posted by torontophenom: Hucci's gotta point.
Let's keep it cute, E-lie. You know better than that.
You've really toned it down Gucci. What's the deal?
You know what toronto, I was going to lash out on that poster. But then I thought to myself...what's the point. However, if he/she keeps it up, then it will be time to pull out the big guns.
LOL, good job Gucci. Just ignore ignorant posters like E-Lie,but if he keeps messing with you, I'll pounce on him like white rice!
Originally posted by Troy: The problem for me is that none of these albums are really exceptional. She has a few great songs on each, but as a whole, none of the albums are stellar.
I'd call B'Day stellar. Classic even. I find it exceptional simply because, as someone who follows R&B closely, it doesn't sound like anything else within the genre. And I think she nailed it. I expect to be one of those underrated masterpieces by one of music's biggest stars.
You must did not hear Amerie "Touch" that came out a year before it?
"Touch" was nowhere neat the level of "B'Day"!
Um, my post was nothing about which one was better. I am talking about the similar sound in it. "B'day" album production is very similar to "Touch" album. She did go-go on that album and MrTalented trying to make it sounds like Beyonce was the first one to do an album like that in this decade in the R&B field which isn't the case at all. That's Amerie's sound, not Beyonce.
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Originally posted by Troy: The problem for me is that none of these albums are really exceptional. She has a few great songs on each, but as a whole, none of the albums are stellar.
I'd call B'Day stellar. Classic even. I find it exceptional simply because, as someone who follows R&B closely, it doesn't sound like anything else within the genre. And I think she nailed it. I expect to be one of those underrated masterpieces by one of music's biggest stars.
You must did not hear Amerie "Touch" that came out a year before it?
I heard Touch and it was a mediocre album.
Besides "1 Thing" there's nothing on that album that sounds like anything on B'Day. And must I remind you, "1 Thing" is nothing but a "Crazy In Love" ripoff. It's a good song and all, but let's not pretend that it didn't blatantly rip a page from what made "Crazy In Love" the hit that it was.
You must did not listen with your ears then because "Talkin' About" production is pretty much throughout in "Green Light", "Suga Mama", and "Freakum Dress". Most of the songs on "B'day" have pretty standard production/medicore lyrics as well. Nothing remarkable or edgy about it when Amerie was doing that sound before her.
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chrisJames, I obviously need to take you to school, so read carefully (since I'm positive that we've already had this discussion SEVERAL times in the past about B'Day and Touch):
The sound on B'Day IS NOT Amerie's sound. So let's stop that right there. As Gucci pointed out, the same producer (Rich Harrison) produced both "Crazy In Love" and "1 Thing." Granted, Harrison worked with Amerie first (he wrote & produced everything on her debut, All I Have), but "Crazy In Love" sounds NOTHING like anything on Amerie's first album.
Once Harrison pretty much cemented his own status as an A-list producer with "Crazy In Love," he used the SAME sound on Amerie's sophomore album, Touch. The only difference is that the results weren't nearly as stellar as "Crazy In Love." IMO, there's nothing on Amerie's second album that is on the level of "Crazy In Love."
For one, this sound isn't necessarily "new," so it doesn't belong to Beyonce or Amerie. So let's not sit around and say stuff like, "that's Amerie's sound, not Beyonce's." No, it's not. It's proof that her main producer lacks inspiration, since a lot of his work post-2003 sounds like "Crazy In Love" (listen to Toni Braxton's "Take This Ring" from Libra).
Now, Harrison worked with Beyonce again on B'Day, but the results were MUCH better than Touch. "Suga Mama" and "Freakum Dress" are much better than anything on Amerie's album.
I'm aware that much of this post is based on my opinion, but there's just as much fact here as well. The point is to explain to you that the sound Harrison used for Amerie's Touch is nothing but stuff that was influenced by the song that launched him, "Crazy In Love," which he did for Beyonce. So please don't sit here and pretend that Amerie was responsible for Beyonce's sound on B'Day, because it's pretty obvious what happened. Amerie worked with Harrison before Beyonce did, but when he hooked up with Beyonce, the results were a lot bigger, better, and more successful. He took the same sound, used it on Amerie's album, and the results were pretty disappointing (save "1 Thing") and a lot less successful, and certainly not better, IMO.
That's the real deal. Please don't fool yourself into believing that Amerie used this sound before Beyonce, because that simply isn't true. In fact, if my memory serves me correctly, I remember when the video for "1 Thing" came out and a lot of people said that Amerie was swagger-jacking Beyonce. So it looks like you've got it backwards, sir.
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Originally posted by MrTalented: chrisJames, I obviously need to take you to school, so read carefully:
The sound on B'Day IS NOT Amerie's sound. So let's stop that right there. As Gucci pointed out, the same producer (Rich Harrison) produced both "Crazy In Love" and "1 Thing." Granted, Harrison worked with Amerie first (he wrote & produced everything on her debut, All I Have), but "Crazy In Love" sounds NOTHING like anything on Amerie's first album.
Once Harrison pretty much cemented his own status as an A-list producer with "Crazy In Love," he used the SAME sound on Amerie's sophomore album, Touch. The only difference is that the results weren't nearly as stellar as "Crazy In Love." IMO, there's nothing on Amerie's second album that is on the level of "Crazy In Love."
For one, this sound isn't necessarily "new," so it doesn't belong to Beyonce or Amerie. So let's not sit around and say stuff like, "that's Amerie's style." No, it's not. It's proof that her main producer lacks inspiration, since a lot of his work post-2003 sounds like "Crazy In Love" (listen to Toni Braxton's "Take This Ring" from Libra).
Now, Harrison worked with Beyonce again on B'Day, but the results were MUCH better than Touch. "Suga Mama" and "Freakum Dress" are much better than anything on Amerie's album.
I'm aware that much of this post is based on my opinion. However, the point is to explain to you that the sound Harrison used for Amerie's Touch is nothing but stuff that was influenced by the song that launched him, "Crazy In Love," which he did for Beyonce. So please don't sit here and pretend that Amerie was responsible for Beyonce's sound on B'Day, because it's pretty obvious what happened. Amerie worked with Harrison before Beyonce did, but when he hooked up with Beyonce, the results were a lot bigger, better, and more successful. He took the same sound, used it on Amerie's album, and the results were pretty disappointing (save "1 Thing") and a lot less successful, and certainly not better, IMO.
That's the real deal. Please don't fool yourself into believing that Amerie used this sound before Beyonce, because that simply isn't true. In fact, if my memory serves me correctly, I remember when the video for "1 Thing" came out and a lot of people said that Amerie was swagger-jacking Beyonce. So it looks like you've got it backwards, sir.
MrTalented, you do not need to take me anywhere. Alright.
I will read your blah blah **** post later though. Too much for my eyes.
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Originally posted by Gucci: You know what toronto, I was going to lash out on that poster. But then I thought to myself...what's the point. However, if he/she keeps it up, then it will be time to pull out the big guns.
LOL, good job Gucci. Just ignore ignorant posters like E-Lie,but if he keeps messing with you, I'll pounce on him like white rice!
Thanks Classof2006. I'm trying my best, but some of these posters make it hard. There's no need for you to pounce on anyone. I don't think that poster wants to rumble with me, or you for that matter.
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Originally posted by Classof2006: I agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but I would still say that "Dangeroulsy In Love" is a classic,IMO!
Honey, Dangerously In Love is NOT a classic. That album is average at best. You may need to clean your ears out.
Originally posted by Gucci: You know what toronto, I was going to lash out on that poster. But then I thought to myself...what's the point. However, if he/she keeps it up, then it will be time to pull out the big guns.
LOL, good job Gucci. Just ignore ignorant posters like E-Lie,but if he keeps messing with you, I'll pounce on him like white rice!
Thanks Classof2006. I'm trying my best, but some of these posters make it hard. There's no need for you to pounce on anyone. I don't think that poster wants to rumble with me, or you for that matter.
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Originally posted by Classof2006: I agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but I would still say that "Dangeroulsy In Love" is a classic,IMO!
Honey, Dangerously In Love is NOT a classic. That album is average at best. You may need to clean your ears out.
Gucci sonned her youngin of a fan.
I really dont think Beyonce will be able to top her debut, ever.
Originally posted by Gucci: You know what toronto, I was going to lash out on that poster. But then I thought to myself...what's the point. However, if he/she keeps it up, then it will be time to pull out the big guns.
LOL, good job Gucci. Just ignore ignorant posters like E-Lie,but if he keeps messing with you, I'll pounce on him like white rice!
Thanks Classof2006. I'm trying my best, but some of these posters make it hard. There's no need for you to pounce on anyone. I don't think that poster wants to rumble with me, or you for that matter.
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Originally posted by Classof2006: I agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but I would still say that "Dangeroulsy In Love" is a classic,IMO!
Honey, Dangerously In Love is NOT a classic. That album is average at best. You may need to clean your ears out.
No problem, Gucci you know your my dog! And your right NONE of these posters want it with you!
And KEEP DREAMING! "Dangersouly In Love" is a classic and will be remembered 10 years from now as a great album! It was already on Entertainment Weekly's Best Albums of the Decade list!
Originally posted by Gucci: You know what toronto, I was going to lash out on that poster. But then I thought to myself...what's the point. However, if he/she keeps it up, then it will be time to pull out the big guns.
LOL, good job Gucci. Just ignore ignorant posters like E-Lie,but if he keeps messing with you, I'll pounce on him like white rice!
Thanks Classof2006. I'm trying my best, but some of these posters make it hard. There's no need for you to pounce on anyone. I don't think that poster wants to rumble with me, or you for that matter.
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Originally posted by Classof2006: I agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but I would still say that "Dangeroulsy In Love" is a classic,IMO!
Honey, Dangerously In Love is NOT a classic. That album is average at best. You may need to clean your ears out.
Gucci sonned her youngin of a fan.
I really dont think Beyonce will be able to top her debut, ever.
And what do you think is a classic? "A Girl Like Me"?
Originally posted by chrisJames: MrTalented, you do not need to take me anywhere. Alright.
I will read your blah blah **** post later though. Too much for my eyes.
Nah, it's not alright. Actually, I did because you seemed to be lacking quite a few facts in your statements, so that's why I posted what I did.
I understand though. Sometimes the truth can be a bit much for one's eyes.
Anyway, I find it quite interesting that the biggest Rihanna stan on this site is sitting around criticizing Beyonce's work. That one doesn't quite add up to me, but whatever. We see where the talent lies with those two.
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