Originally posted by DJWolff: Do you guys think "How Do You Sleep" (Jesse McCartney/Ludacris) has any chance in Rap/Sung Collaboration? Or does it belong in Pop?
The only album I'm looking forward to that will actually make the deadline is Kid Cudi's album. He should take up a spot there considering the competition.
Originally posted by musicluva123: 24Fanatic, you don't think Eminem is the front-runner for Best Rap Album?
I think its hard to tell how the Grammys are going to respond to Eminem. He had a streak of wins early in his career, but his last album didn't win him anything. As far as buzz and respect in the hip-hop community goes, I don't see a difference between the response Eminem's last album recieved and the response that Relapse is getting. Both recieved good/great reviews, but were/are recieved poorly by the hip-hop community and lacking a strong single. I think NARAS is going to look at Eminem and singles like "We Made You" and think: "Why should I vote for this joker who's been putting on the same act for years, when there are serious acts like Kanye, Lil Wayne, Drake, Kid Cudi, etc. that are actually changing the rap game and adding to its legacy?"
Personally, I don't think Eminem is the frontrunner in Rap Album. I can't see his album making the AOTY list, but I can see Kanye or even Black Eyed Peas making it into the general field. Sidenote: As far as the Black Eyed Peas go, I haven't heard their album yet, but b/c of their pop appeal, NARAS has got mad love for them and just waiting for the opportunity to give them a big award. My theory is, if Kanye ain't submitted in Rap Album, the Black Eyed Peas will (in a suprise move) win that Grammy.
Also, its important to note that while Eminem has 9 Grammy wins to his name, Kanye has 12, and the last time that Eminem won was in 2003, as oppose to Kanye who just picked up some more statues last year. Plus, the last time Eminem and Kanye competed against each other in Rap Album, Kanye won with his second album defeating Encore.
I'm not trying to turn this into some sort of Kanye vs. Eminem thing, but I think given the choice, they would go with Kanye.
For Your Grammy Consideration: Kanye West for "Heartless" and 808's & Heartbreak Adele for "Hometown Glory" Taylor Swift for "You Belong With Me" & Fearless Maxwell for "Pretty Wings" & BLACKsummer'snight Kings of Leon for "Use Somebody" The Cast of GLEE for "Don't Stop Believin' " Mariah Carey for "Obsessed"
Rap/Sung Collaboration ----------------------------------------- Keri Hilson featuring Ne-Yo & Kanye West - "Knock You Down"
Rap Song -------------------------
"Heartless" (Kanye West)
Rap Album ------------------------------
Eminem - Relapse
If those were the nominations, then I would have the winners like this.
Even though I can't stand that Eminem album, this would be the ONLY win I would give him, just so I can satisfy the favorite. Same thing for Black Eyed Peas. I'm not in love with "Boom Boom Pow," but it's too big to pass up, so they will most likely win there AGAIN. I wouldn't have anyone sweep in the Rap field because no one deserves to. I would give a newbie Best Rap Solo Performance because Eminem and Kanye already have multiple wins there.
Kid Cudi or Drake would be my pick. Kid Cudi is like a young Kanye, so they'd most likely give it to him. Drake is blowing up, so who knows? I'm not sure if his album will be out in time to be considered for many awards. He's still not signed yet. I would have Keri win her first Grammy in Rap/Sung. Kanye gets another award, so he won't catch a hissy fit. Ne-Yo gets another Grammy for his contribution. T.I. might not be awarded the Grammy because he's in jail. Kanye also gets another Grammy to satisfy that ego of his. Basically, more than two artists are satisfied in this pretty weak field.
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Rap/Sung Collaboration ----------------------------------------- Keri Hilson featuring Ne-Yo & Kanye West - "Knock You Down"
Rap Song -------------------------
"Heartless" (Kanye West)
Rap Album ------------------------------
Eminem - Relapse
If those were the nominations, then I would have the winners like this.
Even though I can't stand that Eminem album, this would be the ONLY win I would give him, just so I can satisfy the favorite. Same thing for Black Eyed Peas. I'm not in love with "Boom Boom Pow," but it's too big to pass up, so they will most likely win there AGAIN. I wouldn't have anyone sweep in the Rap field because no one deserves to. I would give a newbie Best Rap Solo Performance because Eminem and Kanye already have multiple wins there.
Kid Cudi or Drake would be my pick. Kid Cudi is like a young Kanye, so they'd most likely give it to him. Drake is blowing up, so who knows? I'm not sure if his album will be out in time to be considered for many awards. He's still not signed yet. I would have Keri win her first Grammy in Rap/Sung. Kanye gets another award, so he won't catch a hissy fit. Ne-Yo gets another Grammy for his contribution. T.I. might not be awarded the Grammy because he's in jail. Kanye also gets another Grammy to satisfy that ego of his. Basically, more than two artists are satisfied in this pretty weak field.
I can definitely see all the wins happening. The only one I'm not so sure about is Kid Cudi in Rap Solo Performance. For some reason, I just don't see him winning a Grammy his first year out. I know he's from Kanye's camp, but I see him being more like Lupe Fiasco and winning a Grammy the following year. "Day N Nite" was a hot record, but I feel like it has completely burned out. If Drake's buzz continues to build, which it will, b/c the "pop audience" hasn't even been exposed to him yet, I feel like he might have the stronger chance of taking Rap Solo (if it came down to him vs. Kid Cudi). Jamie Foxx just let Drake have his television debut the other night on The Tonight Show and just completely showered him with complements. The whole rap community is going GAGA for Drake right now and I think that will transfer over to some serious love in the rap field come Grammy time (even if he can't get an album out by the cutoff date).
By the end of the Grammy eligibility period, Drake will have 4 songs in contention:
* "Best I Ever Had" (Rap Solo) * "Every Girl" (Young Money featuring Lil'Wayne - Rap Duo or Group) * "The One" (Mary J. Blige featuring Drake - Rap/Sung Collaboration) * "Off That" (Jay-Z featuring Drake - Rap Duo or Group)
Plus, the fact that both Jay-Z and Mary J. Blige chose to feature Drake on the first singles off their new albums speaks VOLUMES!!!
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For Your Grammy Consideration: Kanye West for "Heartless" and 808's & Heartbreak Adele for "Hometown Glory" Taylor Swift for "You Belong With Me" & Fearless Maxwell for "Pretty Wings" & BLACKsummer'snight Kings of Leon for "Use Somebody" The Cast of GLEE for "Don't Stop Believin' " Mariah Carey for "Obsessed"
I think people fail to realize that Drake isn't officially signed yet. There's a possibility that his album won't be released by the cutoff date. For that reason, I'm not sure if he will be a threat for this particular Grammy season. Maybe next year, but I'm not sold on him being a huge contender this year, simply because of his label issues.
Kid Cudi, however, will have an album out right before the cutoff. "Make Her Say" is slowly climbing the iTunes chart, and it will most likely be another hit for Cudi. I'm not saying that he will win Best Rap Solo Performance, but if I had to choose the winners, then I would have him win Best Rap Solo Performance. I see him as a more commercial version of Lupe. Lupe was in contention for non-hits, so I wouldn't be so quick to compare Kid Cudi to Lupe.
Right now, I'm no longer hyping Drake's chances until he is officially signed and has an album released before the cutoff date. Kid Cudi is also a strong contender for a BNA nomination. Drake may be, but if he doesn't have an album out by the cutoff date, then he won't be a contender for BNA. Hype means absolutely nothing if you don't have an album released. If Drake doesn't get an album release date, then I would be VERY shocked if he received any nominations, unless he receives one or two for collabos. Right now, I give Kid Cudi the edge over Drake.
And "Day 'n' Nite" isn't burned out. It's currently #11 on the Hot 100. It's still going strong.
Originally posted by musicluva123: I think people fail to realize that Drake isn't officially signed yet. There's a possibility that his album won't be released by the cutoff date. For that reason, I'm not sure if he will be a threat for this particular Grammy season. Maybe next year, but I'm not sold on him being a huge contender this year, simply because of his label issues.
Kid Cudi, however, will have an album out right before the cutoff. "Make Her Say" is slowing climbing the iTunes chart, and it will most likely be another hit for Cudi. I'm not saying that he will win Best Rap Solo Performance, but if I had to choose the winners, then I would have him win Best Rap Solo Performance. I see him as a more commercial version of Lupe. Lupe was in contention for non-hits, so I wouldn't be so quick to compare Kid Cudi to Lupe.
Right now, I'm no longer hyping Drake's chances until he is officially signed and has an album released before the cutoff date. Kid Cudi is also a strong contender for a BNA nomination. Drake may be, but if he doesn't have an album out by cutoff date, then he won't be a contender for BNA. Hype means absolutely nothing if you don't have an album released.
And "Day 'n' Nite" isn't burned out. It's currently #11 on the Hot 100. It's still going strong.
What makes you think Drake needs to have an album out in order to be a Grammy contender? There has been more than one artist that has been nominated for Best New Artist without their album being in contention. Christina Agulera even won the Best New Artist Grammy without having her album eligible by the Grammy cutoff date. I understand your arguement with the label issue, b/c the label would push for Grammy nominations, however, Drake is signed with Young Money management (Lil Wayne's camp) and I'm sure they would be more than willing to submit his songs for Grammy consideration, even if he is an independent act (which FYI...many independent acts submit themselves for Grammy consideration). All Drake would have to do is get on the contenders list and he's pretty much assured Grammy nominations...at the very least in the Rap Field.
For Your Grammy Consideration: Kanye West for "Heartless" and 808's & Heartbreak Adele for "Hometown Glory" Taylor Swift for "You Belong With Me" & Fearless Maxwell for "Pretty Wings" & BLACKsummer'snight Kings of Leon for "Use Somebody" The Cast of GLEE for "Don't Stop Believin' " Mariah Carey for "Obsessed"
Originally posted by musicluva123: I think people fail to realize that Drake isn't officially signed yet. There's a possibility that his album won't be released by the cutoff date. For that reason, I'm not sure if he will be a threat for this particular Grammy season. Maybe next year, but I'm not sold on him being a huge contender this year, simply because of his label issues.
Kid Cudi, however, will have an album out right before the cutoff. "Make Her Say" is slowing climbing the iTunes chart, and it will most likely be another hit for Cudi. I'm not saying that he will win Best Rap Solo Performance, but if I had to choose the winners, then I would have him win Best Rap Solo Performance. I see him as a more commercial version of Lupe. Lupe was in contention for non-hits, so I wouldn't be so quick to compare Kid Cudi to Lupe.
Right now, I'm no longer hyping Drake's chances until he is officially signed and has an album released before the cutoff date. Kid Cudi is also a strong contender for a BNA nomination. Drake may be, but if he doesn't have an album out by cutoff date, then he won't be a contender for BNA. Hype means absolutely nothing if you don't have an album released.
And "Day 'n' Nite" isn't burned out. It's currently #11 on the Hot 100. It's still going strong.
What makes you think Drake needs to have an album out in order to be a Grammy contender? There has been more than one artist that has been nominated for Best New Artist without their album being in contention. Christina Agulera even won the Best New Artist Grammy without having her album eligible by the Grammy cutoff date. I understand your arguement with the label issue, b/c the label would push for Grammy nominations, however, Drake is signed with Young Money management (Lil Wayne's camp) and I'm sure they would be more than willing to submit his songs for Grammy consideration, even if he is an independent act (which FYI...many independent acts submit themselves for Grammy consideration). All Drake would have to do is get on the contenders list and he's pretty much assured Grammy nominations...at the very least in the Rap Field.
Drake isn't officially signed to Young Money Entertainment. That's where the confusion is. He is associated with Lil' Wayne, so people automatically think he is signed to that label, which is not true at all. Christina Aguilera was signed to a label at the time, so she had someone to submit her for Grammy consideration. How many artists do you know who isn't officially signed to a record label have landed nominations in BNA or won a Grammy Award (for their own work)? Can you name some of them because I don't know any?
He has to be on a label to submit his work for consideration. Drake isn't signed yet, so that's where the problem comes in for him in this particular year. I was the main one hyping his chances at landing some nominations, but I have to set aside my feelings as a fan and be realistic. Until he signs to a label, I'm not sure if he is strong bait this year. He might be a HUGE threat next year.
The end of the Grammy period is closing in, and he has yet to be signed. I'm just saying... I'm not 100% sold just yet. He might land a nomination the following year like Chris Brown and Ciara in their debut years. FYI, the only reason "Best I Ever Had" was blowing up was because a Canadian label put an unauthorized version of his album on iTunes, which resulted in his song peaking high on the Billboard charts. Since then, the album has been removed, and that caused his song to fall down the charts. I know this because I've been following his music a lot lately.
Right now, Kid Cudi already has two new singles, "Make Her Say" and "Sky Might Fall," along with his hit debut single "Day 'n' Nite." I think Cudi is winning against Drake at the moment. But neither probably won't win anyways.
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Originally posted by musicluva123: I think people fail to realize that Drake isn't officially signed yet. There's a possibility that his album won't be released by the cutoff date. For that reason, I'm not sure if he will be a threat for this particular Grammy season. Maybe next year, but I'm not sold on him being a huge contender this year, simply because of his label issues.
Kid Cudi, however, will have an album out right before the cutoff. "Make Her Say" is slowing climbing the iTunes chart, and it will most likely be another hit for Cudi. I'm not saying that he will win Best Rap Solo Performance, but if I had to choose the winners, then I would have him win Best Rap Solo Performance. I see him as a more commercial version of Lupe. Lupe was in contention for non-hits, so I wouldn't be so quick to compare Kid Cudi to Lupe.
Right now, I'm no longer hyping Drake's chances until he is officially signed and has an album released before the cutoff date. Kid Cudi is also a strong contender for a BNA nomination. Drake may be, but if he doesn't have an album out by cutoff date, then he won't be a contender for BNA. Hype means absolutely nothing if you don't have an album released.
And "Day 'n' Nite" isn't burned out. It's currently #11 on the Hot 100. It's still going strong.
What makes you think Drake needs to have an album out in order to be a Grammy contender? There has been more than one artist that has been nominated for Best New Artist without their album being in contention. Christina Agulera even won the Best New Artist Grammy without having her album eligible by the Grammy cutoff date. I understand your arguement with the label issue, b/c the label would push for Grammy nominations, however, Drake is signed with Young Money management (Lil Wayne's camp) and I'm sure they would be more than willing to submit his songs for Grammy consideration, even if he is an independent act (which FYI...many independent acts submit themselves for Grammy consideration). All Drake would have to do is get on the contenders list and he's pretty much assured Grammy nominations...at the very least in the Rap Field.
Drake isn't officially signed to Young Money Entertainment. That's where the confusion is. He is associated with Lil' Wayne, so people automatically think he is signed to that label, which is not true at all. Christina Aguilera was signed to a label at the time, so she had someone to submit her for Grammy consideration. How many artists do you know who isn't officially signed to a record label have landed nominations in BNA or won a Grammy Award (for their own work)? Can you name some of them because I don't know any?
He has to be on a label to submit his work for consideration. Drake isn't signed yet, so that's where the problem comes in for him in this particular year. I was the main one hyping his chances at landing some nominations, but I have to set aside my feelings as a fan and be realistic. Until he signs to a label, I'm not sure if he is strong bait this year. He might be a HUGE threat next year.
The end of the Grammy period is closing in, and he has yet to be signed. I'm just saying... I'm not 100% sold just yet. He might land a nomination the following year like Chris Brown and Ciara in their debut years. FYI, the only reason "Best I Ever Had" was blowing up was because a Canadian label put an unauthorized version of his album on iTunes, which resulted in his song peaking high on the Billboard charts. Since then, the album has been removed, and that caused his song to fall down the charts. I know this because I've been following his music a lot lately.
Right now, Kid Cudi already has two new singles, "Make Her Say" and "Sky Might Fall," along with his hit debut single "Day 'n' Nite." I think Cudi is winning against Drake at the moment. But neither probably won't win anyways.
It's true that not very many artists get nominated for Grammys without a major label behind them, however, plenty of indie acts have been submitted and landed on the official list of contenders for Grammy nominations, which goes out to voting members of the Academy. Drake is the biggest thing in the hip-hop community right now. I realize his song shot up the Billboard Hot 100 for one week b/c of the whole itunes download situation and then fell back down, but he is still HUGE at Rhythmic and Urban radio.
As of right now, with "Best I Ever Had", Drake is at #4 at Rhythmic radio with about 5,500 spins and is the biggest growing song at radio on this format, going up +974 spins from last week.
"Best I Ever Had" is #3 at Urban Radio with 3,600 spins and is also the fastest growing track at Urban radio with a +650 spins from last week.
"Best I Ever Had" is also at #48 at Pop radio and going up.
Plus, Billboard Magazine released an article a week and a half ago talking about Drake's major label bidding war between Universal Motown, Warner Music Group, and Atlantic Records, so I think its safe to say that Drake will be signed to a major label pretty soon.
I don't want this to sound like I'm dissing Kid Cudi, b/c I think he's a great new talent too, but I just wanna stress how big Drake's buzz is right now. Kid Cudi has one advantage over Drake so far and that is the Pop audience knows who Kid Cudi is. Both are probably going to end up with multiple nominations in the Rap field and in such a weak year for new artists, BOTH should make it in to Best New Artist!!!
For Your Grammy Consideration: Kanye West for "Heartless" and 808's & Heartbreak Adele for "Hometown Glory" Taylor Swift for "You Belong With Me" & Fearless Maxwell for "Pretty Wings" & BLACKsummer'snight Kings of Leon for "Use Somebody" The Cast of GLEE for "Don't Stop Believin' " Mariah Carey for "Obsessed"
Originally posted by 24fanatic: It's true that not very many artists get nominated for Grammys without a major label behind them, however, plenty of indie acts have been submitted and landed on the official list of contenders for Grammy nominations, which goes out to voting members of the Academy. Drake is the biggest thing in the hip-hop community right now. I realize his song shot up the Billboard Hot 100 for one week b/c of the whole itunes download situation and then fell back down, but he is still HUGE at Rhythmic and Urban radio.
As of right now, with "Best I Ever Had", Drake is at #4 at Rhythmic radio with about 5,500 spins and is the biggest growing song at radio on this format, going up +974 spins from last week.
"Best I Ever Had" is #3 at Urban Radio with 3,600 spins and is also the fastest growing track at Urban radio with a +650 spins from last week.
"Best I Ever Had" is also at #48 at Pop radio and going up.
Plus, Billboard Magazine released an article a week and a half ago talking about Drake's major label bidding war between Universal Motown, Warner Music Group, and Atlantic Records, so I think its safe to say that Drake will be signed to a major label pretty soon.
I don't want this to sound like I'm dissing Kid Cudi, b/c I think he's a great new talent too, but I just wanna stress how big Drake's buzz is right now. Kid Cudi has one advantage over Drake so far and that is the Pop audience knows who Kid Cudi is. Both are probably going to end up with multiple nominations in the Rap field and in such a weak year for new artists, BOTH should make it in to Best New Artist!!!
Oh, I know you weren't dissing Kid Cudi. I figured people were still a bit confused about Drake's label issues as I were. Personally, I don't prefer one over the other. I think Cudi, Drake, Wale, Charles Hamilton, and Asher Roth are the future of Hip Hop. Each brings something great to the table. I think if Drake signs to a label and gets a proper album release, then his chances in Best Rap Solo Performance and BNA will increase gradually. At this time, though, Kid Cudi, Flo Rida and Kanye West have the biggest songs in contention. Let's not forget Eminem is pretty hot at the moment for whatever reason. For me, I want someone NEW and FRESH to win it. I'm tired of the same ole folks winning based on name recognition. Drake and Cudi are hot right now and deserve recognition. I haven't seen so much hype surrounding Hip Hop artists in the longest. It should be interesting to see what happens within these final two months of the Grammy period.
There have been artists who have been nominated for Best New Artist without having an album out (Irena Cara & Jennifer Holliday). That was in the 80's. Don't know if the rules have changed since then. Also, Christina Aguilera's debut album was released one month before the Grammy cut-off date. It was released on August 24, 1999. So it was eligible when she won the Grammy for Best New Artist.
Gucci, do you know if Jennifer Holliday and Irene Cara were officially signed to labels when they were nominated for BNA?
I know they both had music that were available for purchase. Jennifer was on the Dreamgirls soundtrack and Irene Cara's "What a Feeling" was on the Flashdance soundtrack. Drake's "Best I Ever Had" hasn't received a proper release, and he isn't officially signed to any label yet. So, I'm a bit confused about his eligibility and chances.
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I'm not sure if Irene Cara and Jennifer Holliday were signed to major labels during the time they were nominated for Best New Artist. I do know they both had songs eligible for consideration. Irene Cara had songs from Fame and of course Jennifer Holliday had songs eligible from Dreamgirls.
I'm a little confused about Drake's eligibility too. Had this been in the 80's, he would have definitely been eligible for Best New Artist. Nowadays I believe the label submits. I would assume the tracks he's recorded with other artists are eligible. Not sure about his own solo work.
While Drake has a lot of hype right now, Kid Cudi has a lot of hype right now as well.
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Boston Globe online writer Julian Benbow recently wrote an article titled ‘Net Gains, where he discusses how some of hip-hops biggest stars are the ones with no albums in stores. They highlight Kid Cudi as a key example, saying that “Kid Cudi is the glitch in the matrix”. He goes on to discuss the importance of the digital format such as iTunes and mixtapes to the new age of artists. Here’s a part of the article:
Kid Cudi is the glitch in the matrix. In theory, he has only one song in his catalog, but he’s riding some of the biggest buzz in hip-hop right now. Big enough to land him in the mix at Summer Jam without a proper album.
His single, “Day ‘n’ Nite,” started as an Internet leak, turned into an iTunes download, seeped into pop culture through video games like NBA Live 09 and the TV show “Entourage.” Then it peaked at No. 3 on the charts and created the kind of hype for Cudi that most rappers will never see.
Both Drake and Cudi have enormous hype right now. I've been hearing and reading a lot about Drake.
Cudi, however, seems like he has more pop appeal. He's like a young Kanye, and that may go well with the voters and panel. He seems like a "conservative" type rapper, and those are the ones who get the most love from the voters.
Note: Wale's buzz is increasing. He has a song called "Chillin," which features Lady GaGa. That should get him some more buzz. Let's not forget about Asher Roth. He received a lot of Eminem comparisons.
Drake is better then all of them. Kid cudi is a rip off of kanye West but I still like his music. Don't worry he will be nominated for Rap Solo I'm almost sure come August he will have a label with the buzz around him he probably has offers up the ass.
As much as I want Keri to win Rap/sung for "Knock U Down" she will loose to TI/Justin Timberlake Esp. If they land a ROTY nod.
Eminem and the BEP will fight for Rap Album depending on wich one gets the AOTY nod.
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